From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 05:37:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D2B16A4CE; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from cowpie.acm.vt.edu (cowpie.acm.vt.edu [128.173.42.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F1043D60; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clint@acm.vt.edu) Received: from cowpie.acm.vt.edu (clint@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cowpie.acm.vt.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2PDb2wk073651; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:37:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from clint@acm.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (clint@localhost)i2PDb14w073648; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:37:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from clint@acm.vt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cowpie.acm.vt.edu: clint owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:37:01 -0500 (EST) From: __Clint__ To: Bob Johnson In-Reply-To: <200403242326.11590.bob89@bobj.org> Message-ID: <20040325083229.S73389-100000@cowpie.acm.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ! why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:37:27 -0000 > > The "clint+freebsddotorg@acm.vt.edu" email was a one-time disposable > > email address that I only ever gave to FreeBSD.org. > > Well, you started out with the right strategy, but you abandoned it too > soon. You've now blown what looks like your real email address. Never > reveal your true email address, for it can be used against you. How have I blown it? I sent a note to abuse@freebsd.com when I got spammed. The automatic bounceback said to send it to questions@freebsd.com. If questions@freebsd.com is actually a mail list, I was never told. So yes -- maybe it's been blown (even further) now. But that is due to your poor bounceback message. 1) I get spam 2) I complain to abuse 3) it bounces with a message to use another address 4) I guess, from what you've said, that address is a mail list so in exchange for complaining about you selling my clint+freebsddotorg@acm.vt.edu email address to spammers, you have now redirected me into unknowningly posting to a mail list, thereby causing more spam. Maybe when I get spam I should just sit here helpless and do nothing. But that didn't work well for the jews in WWII. Complacency is not an attitude I like to adopt. > > Now I am receiving spam email targeted at that address. An address I > > only gave YOU. Any suggestions or response? > > Response: > This is a public mailing list, and it is archived in many public places > on the Internet, and is also (unfortunately) forwarded to Usenet by > well-meaning souls. Spammers harvest email addresses from public > archives, and almost any address that appears on Usenet will be > spammed. There's nothing we can do about that. And again -- I never posted on that list in the past. And I only ever posted to it, unintentionally, 2 days ago, because I complained about my spam to abuse@freebsd.org which redirected me (via bounceback message) to an email address that i did not know was a mailing list. I suggest updating the bounceback message or you are just giving more email addresses to spammers as other complainers like myself are tricked into disclosing our actual email address to your maillist. > Suggestions: Never post your real email address on a public mailing > list. When you complain to a suspected spammer, don't use your real > email address in the complaint. If you want to stop the spam, turn off > the address you used (good thing it was a throwaway address, right?), > although that will make it hard to receive replies to the questions you > post here. Unfortunately having had my email address for over 10 yrs I am a bit attached to it. At least SpamAssassin works well. > To clarify: this is a mailing list of FreeBSD users helping each other. > It is not FreeBSD, Inc. answering your questions. that surprised me...