From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 11:33:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A4916A4CE for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [69.58.128.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F4743FAF for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:33:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [69.58.134.180] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.local) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1APoMz-0006vK-00; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:33:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:33:36 -0600 From: Stephen Hilton To: Marc Wiz Message-Id: <20031128133336.79560039.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: <20031123032643.GD13382@wiz.com> References: <200311222031.hAMKVwm2006917@lv.raad.tartu.ee> <20031123032643.GD13382@wiz.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: jez.hancock@munk.nu cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Semi)hot swap IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:33:45 -0000 On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:26:43 -0600 Marc Wiz wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 10:31:24PM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I'm looking for a cheap solution to back up a FreeBSD 4.8 machine. > > Cheap meaning that tape drives are out of question. Even external > > FireWire drives are deemed a bit too expensive by the folks for whom > > I'm doing this research. > > External Firewire drives are too expensive? I would ask these people > how much their data is worth to them. I understand about being > on a budget but there are limits. > > I'm not trying to flame anyone but you sometimes you have to spend > a little bit of money. > > IMHO most of the time Firewire drives cost too much. If you shop > around you can get an enclosure and a drive and put the drive in > yourself. I have been using a Buslink 1394 Firewire HD model #FW80 72E on 2 4-STABLE systems for backup. The Firewire ports are onbord on an ASUS P4PE and an ASUS P3B-1394 motherboard. Pulled this from pricewatch, I have not used this vendor before or the included Firewire card, my Buslink 1394 drive came w/o: Generic (Hard Disk Drives) Buslink 1394 Firewire 40.0GB 7200rpm External Hard Drive W/Firewire Card Part - HD-BL40FW2 Price - $ 138 Shipping - $6.00 - 8.00 Fed Ex Ground Insured http://www.digitalstormonline.com/ My firewire chassie appears to be easily opened, and if cost is that important you could try swapping drives in the chassie after removal. (warranty issues beware) -------------- the correct sequence for hot swapping this firewire hard drive on my motherboard is this: (this is with firewire and sbp devices compiled into my kernel) ... plug the firewire drive cable in run 'fwcontrol -r' mount the firewire drive do backups unmount the firewire drive unplug the firewire drive cable ... My PC and firewire drive would work fine on the first time plugin of the hard drive, but unplugging the drive and coming back later to plug in again needed the 'fwcontrol -r' to work properly. YMMV This reconnect issue may be fixed now in 4-STABLE for my firewire on-board interface :-) --------------- Another option to research would be the new SATA IDE drives and controllers and trays. Anyone with more info regarding doing this on 5.x or 4.x please chime in! Regards, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com