From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 07:14:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24A8106566B; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628FA8FC0C; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.63] (63.imp.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0H7AUOA092289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <4F1502CD.90409@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:10:30 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F14E291.5090803@FreeBSD.org> <4F1502CD.90409@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (harmony.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.6]); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:10:32 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Importing djb's public domain daemontools? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:14:32 -0000 On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 01/16/2012 19:41, Jos Backus wrote: >> On Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM, "Doug Barton" wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 01/16/2012 12:53, Jos Backus wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Thoughts? >>>=20 >>> This is already available in ports. >>=20 >> I realize that. >=20 > Good, then we're done. :) Not necessarily... >> If FreeBSD had a solid solution out of the box, all this pidfile = hackery in >> the base system wouldn't be necessary. >=20 > We don't do religious wars here. We especially don't do trollbait from > djb acolytes. The "pidfile hackery" that we currently have works just > fine in the vast majority of cases. The fact that it doesn't meet some > people's ideas of architectural purity is totally beside the point. This isn't a religious war. This is someone coming to us and saying = that it might be a good idea to clean up the mess by importing a tiny = bit of extra code into the base. Seems like how we've always done = things :) >> I always thought FreeBSD was about >> good engineering. Perpetuating the pidfile mess in the base is not a = sign >> of good engineering. >=20 > FreeBSD is about giving people choices. Those who want to use > daemontools can do that. >=20 > And lest people think that I'm just hating on daemontools, I'm not. I > use it for some things. But converting everything in the base to use = it > is a non-starter, even if we wanted to import it, which I don't see = any > need to do. I'm not convinced it is a non-starter. I'd fully support Jos if he = wanted to commit the code and had done the leg work to do it. I = wouldn't support just importing the daemontools and leaving it at that. = If that's the plan, then leaving it in ports is the best bet. Let's not dismiss this out of hand. Warner=