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Date:      Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:54:54 -0600
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        "Charles Burns" <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Several questions that I can't seem to find on answers to on Google
Message-ID:  <15008.20206.326726.264137@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <77975203@toto.iv>

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Charles Burns <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com> types:
> 2) How on earth do I get rid of Sendmail? Whenever I delete sendmail, it 
> breaks build world. Furthermore, why is it installed by default? It seems to 
> be deeply imbedded in FreeBSD. I would think that, if anything, FreeBSD 
> would install Qmail but I would really greatly prefer if I had the option of 
> not installing any MTA.
> I have tried disabling sendmail in rc.conf.

Actually, it's not deeply embedded at all. Some MTA needs to be
provided with the system, and sendmail has historically been the
one. Changing it is very easy these days - just install the one you
want (probably in the ports tree) and then edit mailer.conf(5) to
enable the one you want, and rc.conf(5) to make sure that sendmail
isn't started by default.

Changing the default MTA is a very political issue. The license for
qmail means it'll probably never be the default. Postfix seems more
likely, as that's what's running at freebsd.org.

> 3) It seems that randomely when I make a new kernel, when it initializes 
> IPFW and says "(stuff), IPDIVERT DISABLED, default to deny, etc., etc.) but 
> the kernel config file clearly has "OPTIONS IPDIVERT". Is another kernel 
> option conflicting with this? (I'll post a partial config file if needed)

Hmm - OPTIONS? In upper case? That's not a valiid config line, it's a
syntax error. Which would mean it isn't in the kernel.

> 7) Has anyone had any problems with PGCC?
> Note that I have noticed a general dislike for strong optimizations in the 
> FreeBSD community from reading web pages and the like. I like strong 
> optimizations, especially for important programs like gzip, bz2, gcc, and 
> ipfw.
> I haven't used PGCC in a while. Last time I did, it failed to compiled 
> glibc2.1 on a linux system citing some completely esoteric error (not unlike 
> "malloc type lacks magic" that FreeBSD likes to tell me)

The reason there's a general dislike for strong optimizations is that
there's a general dislike of unstable code - and that's what you tend
to get with strong optimizations. Especially if you're trying to write
thread-safe (or, in the kernel, SMP-safe), code.

If you want to use alternative compilers for code you're developing,
that's cool. If you want answers to questions about why the system
and/or ports aren't working, stay with the supported compilers and
optimization levels.

	<mike
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