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Date:      Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:56:22 -0400
From:      abe <abe@informationwave.net>
To:        Adam Weinberger <adam@vectors.cx>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: fatal trap 12, system crashes
Message-ID:  <20021007015622.GA76148@dipole.informationwave.net>
In-Reply-To: <20021007013941.GF44643@vectors.cx>
References:  <20021007011110.GA66840@dipole.informationwave.net> <20021007010931.GE44643@vectors.cx> <20021007013027.GA71902@dipole.informationwave.net> <20021007013941.GF44643@vectors.cx>

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On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 06:39:41PM -0700, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> please don't forget to cc: the list when replying.
> 
> you still haven't told me what is staying static. you're using different
> hard drives. are you saying that all of a sudden, no matter what
> computer you use, this happens? perhaps an airborne computer virus...

Nothing is staying static.  Even the IPFW rules have been changed.
Perhaps that's the static component, IPFW is included.

> 
> you say that the computer is not working. but yet you've replaced every
> single item. including the hard drive. you installed a fresh version of
> freebsd on a new drive, and it still crashed. with all other new
> hardware. do i have that right?

Yes.

> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> >> (10.06.2002 @ 1830 PST): abe said, in 4.4K: <<
> > replaced the drive almost every other time.  it crashes on network activity after ipfw loads
> > the rules.  That's why I was able to do an FTP install.  I would guess it's with IPFW... Not
> > sure though.
> > 
> > -abe
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 06:09:31PM -0700, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> > > man... that has got to be the longest line i've ever seen ::). consider
> > > an enter key now and again.
> > > 
> > > you've tested a great many peripherals and environments. what is it that
> > > is staying static throughout your tests? the one particular drive with
> > > the root dir on it?
> > > 
> > > i'd install the src distros from the cdrom, and then run mergemaster(8)
> > > to see if there's any weird configuration difference.
> > > 
> > > also, how did you install via ftp if the machine crashes as soon as
> > > there's network activity? or is this problem only present after the
> > > install process?
> > > 
> > > -Adam
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >> (10.06.2002 @ 1811 PST): abe said, in 2.8K: <<
> > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > >     I've got a rather odd issue, but not unique from what I've seen on
> > > >     other threads (whose solutions unfortunately did not work).  I
> > > >     have had a machine running in a datacenter for 7 months if not
> > > >     more without problems, and 1.5 years prior to that without
> > > >     problems as well.  The other night, suddenly the machine rebooted
> > > >     and came back up with a panic.  This happened immediately after
> > > >     rc.firewall was run it appeared.  I spent about 4 hours in the
> > > >     datacenter trying to diagnose the issue and had no luck so brought
> > > >     the machine home with me that night.  I've been working on it for
> > > >     about a week now trying various methods of troubleshooting and
> > > >     haven't had any luck.  I also tried to get a backtrace but that's
> > > >     not turning out so well either.  It seems even with a debugging
> > > >     kernel and the correct options set in rc.conf for dumpdev and
> > > >     savecore it will produce no usable output, if any.  /var/crash is
> > > >     empty aside from 'minfree'.  With all of that said, as it may be
> > > >     obvious already this message is going to be a bit lengthy as I am
> > > >     going to try to provide as much detail as possible considering the
> > > >     lack of a backtrace.  I have tried several hardware
> > > >     configurations, including brand new hardware.  Two different CPUs
> > > >     (AMD thunderbird 700 and 750mhz), 7 different memory modules all
> > > >     tested via memtest with 12 iterations at least with no errors, 4
> > > >     different network cards: 3com 3905b/c, dlink (rtl8129), and a
> > > >     netgear.  I have used an abit kt7-raid, asus a7a 266, and another
> > > >     abit board.  I have used 4 different hard disks, 2 western
> > > >     digitals, both brand new, and 2 maxtors, fairly new.  I have also
> > > >     swapped out power supplies, cables, network equipment (switch,
> > > >     direct via crossover), etc.  That's an idea of what I've done thus
> > > >     far with hardware, and to sum that up we can think of the hardware
> > > >     collectively as three different machines.  As far as installation
> > > >     media goes, I've tried via FTP and cdrom.  The systems I've used,
> > > >     are 4.5-RELEASE, 4.5-RELEASE-p20, 4.6.2-p2.  I've reinstalled
> > > >     several times attempting to spot an error in installation or my
> > > >     methods.  I've changed my rules for IPFW to very primitive ones to
> > > >     test, and had no luck.  The minute after loading them, and then
> > > >     attempting to communicate with any type of network service, the
> > > >     machine panics. I have a video which is approximately 2 megs in
> > > >     size, and a photo of the error and it occuring.  The video is at
> > > >     http://dipole.informationwave.net/~abe/crash.mpg, and the photo is
> > > >     http://dipole.informationwave.net/~abe/fbsd.jpg.  If anyone has
> > > >     any ideas as to what could be causing this, or a solution, that'd
> > > >     be great.  Also any other information that would assist in solving
> > > >     this issue that I haven't already provided will be given if
> > > >     requested.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > 
> > > >     Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Abe  
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > >> end of "fatal trap 12, system crashes" from abe <<
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw."
> > >         -Lilo, "Lilo & Stitch"
> > > Adam Weinberger
> > > adam@vectors.cx
> > > 
> > > 
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> > 
> >> end of "Re: fatal trap 12, system crashes" from abe <<
> 
> 
> --
> "Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw."
>         -Lilo, "Lilo & Stitch"
> Adam Weinberger
> adam@vectors.cx
> 

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