From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 2 15:41:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18741 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:41:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18702 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27023; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA24319; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:41:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:41:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199803022341.QAA24319@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-RELEASE? In-Reply-To: <199803022325.PAA14115@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199803022318.PAA13189@rah.star-gate.com> <199803022325.PAA14115@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You know there is the MBone for this sort of scenarios and it > > will not be difficult to setup world group meetings where > > folks can go attend the session for instance Whistle has or had > > a fine mbone tunnel . > > Hah. You forget that nobody outside the Bay area has the mbone > anymore, if they ever had it in the first place. No kidding. Our ISP played with it for awhile (for watching NaNOG meetings), and gave it up. They're now sending people to the meetings, since it was much cheaper and useful than using the Mbone, which is useless given the current 'lag' and 'loss' on the net as a whole. PHK's 40% packet loss to CA with normal traffic would make the MBONE more than useless. It would simply waste bandwidth with no gain. That's why people who want the MBONE for research and such want their own private Internet back again, and are asking for grants and such to give them their own toy back. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message