From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 13 18:38:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CF916A400 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9DF43D45 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3DIcFHq038809; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:38:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, matthew@digitalstratum.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:36:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <443E95C1.4030404@digitalstratum.com> In-Reply-To: <443E95C1.4030404@digitalstratum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604131436.17942.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1396/Thu Apr 13 01:39:53 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crash without Errors, Warnings, or Panics X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:21 -0000 On Thursday 13 April 2006 14:17, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm running 6.0-RELEASE-p5 on a Toshiba built server: dual Xeon Intel > motherboard with a LSILogic MegaRAID (amr0) controller. This machine > has been running for about 2 years now, and was very stable until I > updated from 5.3 to 5.4, and now 6.0. The crashing seems to be totally > random and I have had it crash in as little as 12 hours and as long as > 143 days. > > When the box goes down it does so in a strange way. First, it still > responds to network probes like ping (usually), however, all console > access is ignored. Also, some network ports still respond, like a > telnet to port 22 to test SSH will yield an SSH banner, but trying to > connect with SSH just hangs. Sometimes this is also true of the SMTP > server, but not always. This also makes it impossible for me to use > CARP to swap to the recently purchased spare machine, since the network > interface is generally still responding so CARP does not detect a problem. > > My biggest problem with this is that there are *never* any console > messages or log entries in any logs, no warnings about disk failure, > buffer exhaustion, system failures, etc.. The machine simply seems to > stop responding and the only way to correct the problem is a hard reboot. > > A strange thing did happen yesterday though, I believe I caught the box > on the verge of failure. I was SSH'd in and did a ps to check things > out. There were about 100 of these entries: > > 55050 ?? D 0:00.00 postmaster: ipa ipa ::1(63061) startup (postgres) > > The box runs a web-based app and connects to a local Postgres DB which > seemed to be unable to start new connections being requested by the PHP > scripts. At any rate, I stopped Apache and then tried to stop Postgres > which resulted in (or just happened to coincide with) the box locking up > and no longer responding to my SSH commands or attempts to reconnect > with SSH. I hardly think this is a Postgres problem, but even if it > was, a userland app should *not* be able to bring down a box... > > Can anyone shed some light on this, give me some options to try? What > happened to kernel panics and such when there were serious errors going > on? The only glimmer of information I have is that *one* time there was > an error on the console about there not being any RAID controller > available. I did purchase a spare controller and I'm about to swap it > out and see if it helps, but for some reason I doubt it. If a > controller like that was failing, I would certainly hope to see some > serious error messages or panics going on. > > I have been running FreeBSD since version 1.01 and have never had a box > so unstable in the last 12 or so years, especially one that is supposed > to be "server" quality instead of the make-shift ones I put together > with desktop hardware. And last, I'm getting sick of my Linux admin > friends telling me "told you so! should have run Linux...", please give > me something to stick in their pie holes! It sounds like a livelock (or deadlock) more than a crash. Can you add 'DDB' in your kernel config and break into the debugger when it hangs and grab the output of 'ps'? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org