From owner-svn-ports-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 1 16:42:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FA505D6 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C6C18B7 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t31GgpGb044488 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:42:51 GMT (envelope-from bdrewery@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from bdrewery@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t31Ggp6H044481 for svn-ports-all@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:42:51 GMT (envelope-from bdrewery) Received: (qmail 28817 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2015 11:42:50 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.1.139?) (freebsd@shatow.net@10.10.1.139) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 1 Apr 2015 11:42:50 -0500 Message-ID: <551C2019.5010904@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:43:05 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery Organization: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Dokuchaev , Kubilay Kocak Subject: Re: svn commit: r369643 - head/misc/getopt References: <201409301619.s8UGJg6b078754@svn.freebsd.org> <543844FA.1010908@FreeBSD.org> <551ADD5F.1060004@FreeBSD.org> <551BCF17.2050303@FreeBSD.org> <20150401110943.GA82458@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20150401110943.GA82458@FreeBSD.org> OpenPGP: id=6E4697CF; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan2.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WPPWh2Q078ROXAH60NGx6bA8IUFQ9GK7V" Cc: Sunpoet Po-Chuan Hsieh , svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 16:42:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --WPPWh2Q078ROXAH60NGx6bA8IUFQ9GK7V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/1/2015 6:09 AM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 09:57:27PM +1100, Kubilay Kocak wrote: >> On 1/04/2015 4:46 AM, Bryan Drewery wrote: >>>> Were these updates even tested? [...] >>>> This broke xorg, git, xfce, qt, the list goes on. No packages are >>>> provided for this large list this week. >>>> >>>> Commits _must be tested_. >>> >>> Sorry for being so harsh here. >=20 > (To Bryan) nothing to be sorry about. Trivially avoidable fuckups shou= ld > not be tolerated. >=20 Yes people must test. I still feel I overreacted though. Especially considering I don't test my own changes on every release/arch. I do what I feel is needed with the changes and often find mistakes. We're all huma= n. >> +1 >> >> We need more things that help us 'fail fast', 'fail cheap', 'fail safe= ' >> and 'fail closed', independent of, and in addition to 'test commits'. That reminds me that I need to improve the script to actually "fail fast". It currently finishes the build first. So it may fail 1501 5 minutes into the build and then spend the next 10 hours building things that will never publish. >=20 > We already have 1) tinderbox; and 2) pre. On a related note, I= > see the line QAT in every commit message that leads nowhere. Why don't= > we fix that thing, or remove stale and non-working link? >=20 I will remove it for now. Bryan --WPPWh2Q078ROXAH60NGx6bA8IUFQ9GK7V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVHCAZAAoJEDXXcbtuRpfPF5AH/A8LmSQybUXwiuSbvJ7mvE8L gMr9NhmuXtgKtlmS9Uc6V+ItbG9oiXUF+cRLYhhWYPMDANy1i2rF5E9ricvimIDh roNsePmx4ZyOCgCHA2diO0NC/p/53UtklF+4t05ej0UzwHHVPCve8v3TaMb61uEn b/OLVb2NFcebTi3PZlkrOpUyJdhiVssuTK4dtxJUYsknJJNtxqMtNwn64cLp+Y/O s4nPTJpyDk/jx0WkxjQSD5APOXLcJx6DqmNqNTIqdM2DtgyZdtZWChG0bo6B2k96 CgDEzsTcxwneo6nZVSm1Z525oaCBReXgt/8GK/QNcDv6ytPAQLtWuxtNuAi2Rrc= =7p/a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WPPWh2Q078ROXAH60NGx6bA8IUFQ9GK7V--