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Date:      Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:45:41 +0200
From:      Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
To:        Emily Boyd <soc-emily@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-www@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Huge fixed-width fonts on web mailing list archive
Message-ID:  <20051105014541.GA15904@flame.pc>
In-Reply-To: <436BFF8D.1050502@freebsd.org>
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On 2005-11-05 11:40, Emily Boyd <soc-emily@freebsd.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >>For the moment I just commented out the font-size on
> >>global.css, this should please many persons.
> >
> >It does, if you ask me.  If anyone has sample screenshots that
> >clearly show why this size is too small, I'd be very interested
> >to see them, please.
>
> Try Firefox (or any Mozilla-based browser) on Windows:
>
> http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/freebsd/pre_firefox_win.png
>
> Or Safari:
>
> http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/freebsd/pre_safari_mac.png
>
> As I said, it's now unreadable.

Then we need to find out why.  Increasing the size of *all* <pre>
elements doesn't seem right.  The DOM inspector of Firefox shows that
this particular element is:

HTML > BODY > #containerwrap > #container > #content > pre

There is no CSS rule applies to its font-size, so this means that on
Windows the font-size of constant-width fonts is smaller than on other
platforms *OR* that this is a side-effect of forcing font-size: 69% for
all of <BODY>.

Can we please at least try removing the font-size:69% before the
font-size of <pre> elements is increased?  I suspect that this 69% size
of <BODY> affects what you see on Windows in a much more visible way
than it does in X11.

> Until we can work out the proper fix, I would recommend putting it back
> to how it was; having larger (but perfectly readable) fonts in some
> browsers is far better than having tiny fonts in others.

I don't really like putting it back, but if you insist then it may be
the only choise we have.

This is a catch-22.  If we put it back, then X11 browsers will show
garbage.  If we don't put it back, Windows browsers will show garbage.
There are perfectly good web pages that don't break because the browser
happens to have a default point size of 12 pt, so either way (putting it
back or not) we _really_ have to track down why it happens and fix the
real bug and not the symptoms.

- Giorgos




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