From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 20 11:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546D316A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:05:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7C243D1D for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:05:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EA7811C00097 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:05:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BB55D1C00094 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:05:00 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050320110500767.BB55D1C00094@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:05:00 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <757104938.20050320120500@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <266982083.20050320105247@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:05:02 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > You said you would be interested in other solutions that provided the > same features as Exchange. What is wrong, were you not telling the > truth? I am telling the truth. But another solution that provides the same features as Exchange will have ALL of them, and so it isn't necessary for me to "list the features I think are key." The alternate solution has to have all the features of Exchange, period. > I look for non-Microsoft solutions because they are cheaper and faster > and do what I need them to do. Except that that's not unconditionally true. Some Microsoft solutions are cheaper and faster than non-Microsoft solutions. And there are other considerations besides price and speed, and in some cases Microsoft solutions are better even if they cost more or aren't quite as performant. I look for solutions, period. I don't care whether they come from Microsoft or not. > To me this to me means better. Unfortunately, it doesn't mean that to everyone else. > To someone else who, perhaps, shits money out their ass when they go > to the crapper, well perhaps they can buy brand new hardware at $30K a > pop for a server, and make up for the speed difference with it, and > perhaps they don't care about it being cheaper. Exactly. A lot of companies do that ... in part because it is often cheaper overall. > Maybe you define better as what is better has more features? I define better as whatever matches the client's requirements. > Others may define better as running more reliably. Still others may > define better as being more flexible. There are many criteria for "better." > I already mentioned Horde in another post. It does everything Exchange does, and installs in ten minutes from a single set of CDs? I don't think so. In fact, it doesn't even come remotely close to that. > And that's just from the open source world. I didn't even look at the > commercial UNIX products. They aren't any better. > That is what they started with but they did also put in some of their > own code. Yes, mostly copyright notices. The rest was a hodgepodge of whatever garbage they could scrape up. They had neither the time nor the money to build a real messaging system of their own, and they depended on marketing to hide that fact (for example, "standards-based" was their euphemism for "we patched together public-domain code"). Unfortunately for them, they couldn't hide it well enough. > How much was the investment in FreeBSD? And who made it? I don't know, but I'm pretty certain that it pales to insignificance in comparison to that expended on Exchange. You might be surprised at how much Exchange cost to develop. > Why doesen't it count? I just told you why. In a Web interface, all the software is on the server. The fact that it can be accessed by many dumb client machines does not equate to running custom client software on those machines. Web interfaces, as a general rule, are slow, messy pieces of junk that one uses only as a last resort, when one has no client software instead. -- Anthony