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Date:      Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:42:09 +0200
From:      Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@anongoth.pl>
To:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        ports-committers@FreeBSD.org, dev-commits-ports-all@FreeBSD.org, dev-commits-ports-main@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: git: 8ecb1f814114 - main - Revert "lang/rust: Update to 1.63.0"
Message-ID:  <Ywd8MYHWS9MKCnp3@talos>
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On 22-08-25 15:24:12, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 02:21:28PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
> > On 22-08-25 14:08:26, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 10:50:30AM +0000, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
> > > > The branch main has been updated by pkubaj:
> > > >=20
> > > > URL: https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/ports/commit/?id=3D8ecb1f8141144c1603=
eb4026122d2e60eeaccd64
> > > >=20
> > > > commit 8ecb1f8141144c1603eb4026122d2e60eeaccd64
> > > > Author:     Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@FreeBSD.org>
> > > > AuthorDate: 2022-08-25 10:29:24 +0000
> > > > Commit:     Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@FreeBSD.org>
> > > > CommitDate: 2022-08-25 10:49:36 +0000
> > > >=20
> > > >     Revert "lang/rust: Update to 1.63.0"
> > > >    =20
> > > >     This reverts commit f36cc819accadae1fefc14c203e5fbe9c74e1492.
> > > >    =20
> > > >     I asked for an exp-run for powerpc and powerpc64 on a recently =
provided
> > > >     cluster machine but got no reply.
> > > >    =20
> > > >     PR:     265915
> > >=20
> > > You cannot take the decision to revert on your own for many reasons:
> > >=20
> > > 1. etiquete: we ask people to actually revert if needed and escalate =
if they
> > > don't, we never revert directly ourself! the only one allowed to do "=
rude" revert
> > > are people taking care of the package building when something break t=
he delivery
> > > of packages for Tier 1
> > I did it myself so that users don't upgrade in the meantime, since that
> > would create further confusion. If I let it wait, then PORTEPOCH should
> > have been bumped for all the affected ports, which I think we all agree
> > would be troublesome.
>=20
> No what will happen is given it works on Tier1, the Tier2 will fix one by=
 one
> the issues that raised if any without reverting, meaning no PORTEPOCH wou=
ld be
> needed.

Isn't it better to fix issues BEFORE committing?

> >=20
> > >=20
> > > 2. an exp-run happened and was granted by portmgr, exp-run are costly=
 we cannot
> > > expect exp-runs for non tier 1 architecture for every changes (beside=
 the fact
> > > :x
> >=20
> > I do not ask for exp-runs "for every change". In fact, this was the 1st
> > time I asked for an exp-run on powerpc*.
> >=20
> > If you can't expect exp-runs on non-Tier 1, why do we have powerpc*
> > exp-run machines?
>=20
> We do not have those machine functionnal! so we cannot do those exp-run, =
and
> even if we had, it will be at the discression of the people doing the exp=
-run to
> see if they have the resources or not to add an extra target for exp-run.
The attached email says the contrary.

> >=20
> > This also wouldn't have happened if antoine@ had explained earlier he's
> > not able to do exp-runs on powerpc*.
>=20
> While I agree that antoine should have answered (maybe he missed the mess=
ages)
> it does not mean that you are allowed to make a driven by revert.
> >=20
> > > =20
> > > 3. powerpc* is not yet a Tier 1 so there is no promise on the deliver=
y of
> > > packages.
> >=20
> > Yes, but everyone can still build from ports.
>=20
> yes but again this is tier 2! same lack of warrant
If you talk about "warranty", is there a "warranty" that all the ports
build on Tier 1?

Warranty implies some paid support and compensation when things don't
work. So there's actually no warranty, we are not RHEL.
>=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > So please revert your revert!
> > Now I just want to check powerpc64 and powerpc. As soon as I do that, I
> > will.
>=20
> No this is not how this is supposed to work. I would be sad to have to re=
vert
> the revert myself :(.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Bapt

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Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:34:50 -0300
From: "Danilo G. Baio" <dbaio@FreeBSD.org>
To: alfredo@freebsd.org, jhibbits@freebsd.org, bdragon@freebsd.org,
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Subject: archon.nyi is back online
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Hi.

This machine is online again, just sending a head-up for everyone.

It wasn't booting; some tweaks in the Petitboot handled it, It will
probably need manual intervention in the next upgrade, but I'll document
the steps I did.
Thanks to some useful threads from pkubaj@ and sbruno@.

IBM POWER8 4024.00 MHz
32 CPUs / 128Gb memory
TYAN (TN71-BP012)
4x 1Tb

root@archon.nyi:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD archon.nyi.freebsd.org 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #0 main-n2=
56433-038405f32f7: Thu Jun 30 10:37:36 UTC 2022
root@build-14.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/sys/CLUSTER14 =
powerpc

root@archon.nyi:~ # uname -UK
1400063 1400063
   ^^ Latest cluster build

It's listed as a portmgr pkgexp machine; I informed antoine@ about it.

Regards.
--=20
Danilo G. Baio (dbaio)

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