Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:05:25 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@anongoth.pl> Cc: ports-committers@FreeBSD.org, dev-commits-ports-all@FreeBSD.org, dev-commits-ports-main@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: git: 8ecb1f814114 - main - Revert "lang/rust: Update to 1.63.0" Message-ID: <20220825140525.qmpzqk7xcob3mtha@aniel.nours.eu> In-Reply-To: <Ywd8MYHWS9MKCnp3@talos> References: <202208251050.27PAoUmi075877@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <20220825120826.couaapv3odwpjilf@aniel.nours.eu> <YwdpSDVcps/d5MNQ@talos> <20220825132412.vr2vvkxejnqefzq2@aniel.nours.eu> <Ywd8MYHWS9MKCnp3@talos>
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 03:42:09PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: > On 22-08-25 15:24:12, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 02:21:28PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: > > > On 22-08-25 14:08:26, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 10:50:30AM +0000, Piotr Kubaj wrote: > > > > > The branch main has been updated by pkubaj: > > > > > > > > > > URL: https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/ports/commit/?id=8ecb1f8141144c1603eb4026122d2e60eeaccd64 > > > > > > > > > > commit 8ecb1f8141144c1603eb4026122d2e60eeaccd64 > > > > > Author: Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@FreeBSD.org> > > > > > AuthorDate: 2022-08-25 10:29:24 +0000 > > > > > Commit: Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@FreeBSD.org> > > > > > CommitDate: 2022-08-25 10:49:36 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > Revert "lang/rust: Update to 1.63.0" > > > > > > > > > > This reverts commit f36cc819accadae1fefc14c203e5fbe9c74e1492. > > > > > > > > > > I asked for an exp-run for powerpc and powerpc64 on a recently provided > > > > > cluster machine but got no reply. > > > > > > > > > > PR: 265915 > > > > > > > > You cannot take the decision to revert on your own for many reasons: > > > > > > > > 1. etiquete: we ask people to actually revert if needed and escalate if they > > > > don't, we never revert directly ourself! the only one allowed to do "rude" revert > > > > are people taking care of the package building when something break the delivery > > > > of packages for Tier 1 > > > I did it myself so that users don't upgrade in the meantime, since that > > > would create further confusion. If I let it wait, then PORTEPOCH should > > > have been bumped for all the affected ports, which I think we all agree > > > would be troublesome. > > > > No what will happen is given it works on Tier1, the Tier2 will fix one by one > > the issues that raised if any without reverting, meaning no PORTEPOCH would be > > needed. > > Isn't it better to fix issues BEFORE committing? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. an exp-run happened and was granted by portmgr, exp-run are costly we cannot > > > > expect exp-runs for non tier 1 architecture for every changes (beside the fact > > > > :x > > > > > > I do not ask for exp-runs "for every change". In fact, this was the 1st > > > time I asked for an exp-run on powerpc*. > > > > > > If you can't expect exp-runs on non-Tier 1, why do we have powerpc* > > > exp-run machines? > > > > We do not have those machine functionnal! so we cannot do those exp-run, and > > even if we had, it will be at the discression of the people doing the exp-run to > > see if they have the resources or not to add an extra target for exp-run. > The attached email says the contrary. I can see your level of trust here in what I am saying, I am part of both portmgr and clusteradm, so if I say portmgr do not have powerpc machines available for exp-run, you can be sure that I double checked. > > > > > > > This also wouldn't have happened if antoine@ had explained earlier he's > > > not able to do exp-runs on powerpc*. > > > > While I agree that antoine should have answered (maybe he missed the messages) > > it does not mean that you are allowed to make a driven by revert. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. powerpc* is not yet a Tier 1 so there is no promise on the delivery of > > > > packages. > > > > > > Yes, but everyone can still build from ports. > > > > yes but again this is tier 2! same lack of warrant > If you talk about "warranty", is there a "warranty" that all the ports > build on Tier 1? > > Warranty implies some paid support and compensation when things don't > work. So there's actually no warranty, we are not RHEL. Common you perfectly know what it means! Bapt
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