From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 3 01:03:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECCF16AED4; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:02:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ps@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7CF45470; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 00:54:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ps@mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 102565DA5A; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:07:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ps@mu.org Delivered-To: ps@mu.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF4B5C99D for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B1555BB3; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:58:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BDA16A4D6; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5709316A4CE; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:58:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web.portaone.com (support.portaone.com [195.70.151.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DD143D1D; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:58:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.73] (portacare.portaone.com [195.140.247.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by web.portaone.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9KEw4Ns021581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:58:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <41767CF1.2020005@FreeBSD.org> From: Maxim Sobolev User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on elvis.mu.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Fwd: What do people think about not installing a stripped /kernel ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:03:50 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:57:53 +0300 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:03:50 -0000 I think that this is good idea which can be adapted for our 6-CURRENT as well. Disk space is so damn cheap today.... -Maxim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: What do people think about not installing a stripped /kernel ? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Newsgroups: dragonfly.kernel The only cost is disk space... e.g. 3MB stripped kernel verses 16MB debug kernel. But the debug info isn't actually loaded into memory so the kernel load time and memory overhead is the same as with the stripped version. The issue is bug reports and kernel core dumps. I can't count the number of times I have had to carefully instruct people to retrieve their kernel.debug's for bug reporting purposes. And even my own debugging would be more convenient if I didn't have to save off a separate copy of the debug version of the kernel. What I'm thinking of doing is having the installkernel target install the debug version rather then the stripped version unless told to install the stripped version with a new option, e.g. 'options INSTALL_STRIPPED'. We would ship full debug GENERIC kernels instead of stripped kernels. i.e. we aren't getting rid of the ability to install a stripped kernel, we just aren't making it the default any more. What do people think? -Matt _______________________________________________ freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"