From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 6 20:12:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7062237B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09576; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:12:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37641) with ESMTP id <01K6UQQJF86OVFDA26@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:11:53 +1000 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f773C6p23563; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:12:06 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:12:05 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Updating RELENG_4_3 In-reply-to: <200107300743.f6U7hiw34100@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 01:43:44AM -0600 To: Chris BeHanna Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Mail-Followup-To: Chris BeHanna , FreeBSD-Stable Message-id: <20010807131205.L506@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <200107300743.f6U7hiw34100@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-Jul-30 01:43:44 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >In message Chris BeHanna writes: >: If the suggestion, "leave a small commit-free window around >: midnight UTC" is adopted, then you could use -D "00:00:00 UTC" and not >: have to worry (although you'd have to translate that to >: "[cc]yy.mm.dd.00.00.00" format for cvsup to process it). > >Two minor problems: > >1) 00:00:00 utc is the middle of the late afternoon/early evening in the > US. A more traditional quiet time is 3am MxT time (GMT-5 or -6 > depending on the time of year). That's 2am on the pacific coast > (just after most people tend to stop committing there) and > 8am in the uk/europe (just before most people start committing > there). Traditionally, the tree is quieter then. This would be > 07:00:00 utc. 0700UTC is mid-afternoon to early evening for Japan and Australia - which would probably annoy committers here. It might also annoy the Russian's and similar areas (I think they have moved their clocks to be closer to LMT rather than use European time). Basically, given a global development community (such as FreeBSD has), you're not going to find a time that doesn't inconvenience some part of the community. In any case, how big a window do you specify? Someone might start a commit with what seems like plenty of time to space, but because everyone else had the same idea, freefall is very slow. Or maybe the Internet has a hiccup and your `quick commit' drags on forever. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message