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Date:      Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:48:19 +1100
From:      Tony Landells <ahl@austclear.com.au>
To:        "KD Computers - Adam" <adam@kdcomputers.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: McAfee VirusScan for FreeBSD 
Message-ID:  <200112062348.KAA23637@tungsten.austclear.com.au>
In-Reply-To: Message from "KD Computers - Adam" <adam@kdcomputers.com>  of "Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:57:58 MDT." <GDELKMOLJCHICOIJNDJGCEFMCAAA.adam@kdcomputers.com> 

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We've been running MacAfee for some years and I can't say I'm that
impressed.

Yes, the licensing is per protected user.  Trying to justify dropping
everything in one mailbox, or something is just cheating.  The whole
thing is an "honour system" anyway--they can't really count how many
users are protected, but if there's a problem and they need to look
at something, they'll find out pretty quickly what's happening.

Support for UNIX seems very much a secondary concern.  When the
Melissa virus came out we had to wait about three months for a fix
that was immediately available for NT (because that's how long it
would be before the current scan engine made it to UNIX, and the
new scan engine was needed to detect Melissa--I don't know exactly
how long the newer NT engine had been out before we were told we
still had three months to wait...).  When we spoke to them about
their automated e-mail gateway, there were several features in the
NT version that weren't in the UNIX version (like their Outbreak
Manager, which "quarantines" under various conditions, such as
receiving a large number of e-mails from a remote host in a short
period of time).

The licensing is also weird.  Under MacAfee it wasn't that expensive
for us to just run uvscan (on-demand UNIX scanner) on our file servers.
Once NAI got hold of it, we had to buy their Total Virus Defence Suite
to get uvscan, which was significantly more expensive.  And then when
we started looking at an automated gateway they told us that we didn't
have TVD licenced...

I'm currently in the process of talking to Sophos to find out their
pricing.  From what I've seen, their support of UNIX is MUCH better.
They also send out an updated CD with the latest software every
month, and understand more versions of UNIX (many more).

They don't have an automated gateway thing, but know about Amavis
and suggested that (which also shows they know what's going on in
the real world).  Looking at their site recently it looks like an
automated gateway isn't necessarily that far away though.

They also support logging to syslog (yay!).

Another interesting thing is that we ran a demo version of Sophos
to compare the results with MacAfee over a filesystem with about
150,000 files.  MacAfee ran marginally faster (1.5 hours vs 1.75
for Sophos).  The real surprise is that MacAfee said it didn't scan
41 files (and gave reasons for only 2); while Sophos said it couldn't
scan 516 files, 285 of which were password-protected (most of the
others it said were corrupt).  The few checks I've done seem to
support Sophos on this...

I don't know, but I'm very nervous about something checking for virii
that doesn't even seem to know what the files are or whether they're
password protected!

And while it's a very minor issue that I'm sure could happen to
anyone, I wasn't impressed when one of the MacAfee updates decided
that the string AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs was a virus, making it
impossible to discuss the virus, or even report this problem
to MacAfee via e-mail...

Personally, I've not been impressed with NAI at all and we're only
running MacAfee through momentum, but I expect that to change in
the very near future.  YMMV.

Tony
-- 
Tony Landells					<ahl@austclear.com.au>
Senior Network Engineer				Ph:  +61 3 9677 9319
Australian Clearing Services Pty Ltd		Fax: +61 3 9677 9355
Level 4, Rialto North Tower
525 Collins Street
Melbourne VIC 3000
Australia



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