From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 9 04:36:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B63106566C; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 04:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f227.google.com (mail-fx0-f227.google.com [209.85.220.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADAE8FC0C; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 04:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm27 with SMTP id 27so5260228fxm.3 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:36:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dNQJbjJ6odeFu79IlS6zfXOo1B3VOnZF3TZkfyWDq+M=; b=wMpAinf6C0qzKGVZrLDdBQhmWKf9vROB3iXo0Ra/j9YcJNNJhaPVr5R+AQynN0QdLQ rVQ0q+IXDksCYuWKsSLGczo+fNAaNuP6heC+dc6oRp4yx7/ggQ836fy/8akyOx5uTVLX xCIDl4klndW81swbow8EMhfB6B0jCIvjV1OgA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vpGtk0nRU+/vOBQ0CfSDyxiBnb3Y0GRVGXRBxL5leEMu3Nogez9/yITssrXyjlw0IW foIHnePi9iL1viynyJFZETrI9uao3UlK10X28zFci59vQ4dAJFt7oQobu36R3pPfUUU2 o7EZWBREeteXGKq7H54NjgEEC9NBl6sHNbdks= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.132 with SMTP id c4mr611517hbh.20.1263011796599; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:36:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B477CBE.6090000@FreeBSD.org> References: <201001040916.o049GZ1Y013061@svn.freebsd.org> <4B4384E3.2080600@FreeBSD.org> <867hrvgw2j.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4B46CFE8.8000501@FreeBSD.org> <4B477CBE.6090000@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:36:36 -0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r201477 - head/games/fortune/datfiles X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:36:49 -0000 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: [...] >> Five to ten years from now that quotation will >> be just history, like the ones from/about JFK, Richard Nixon, and >> Spiro Agnew. > > Actually there are several things in the main fortunes file that I > find offensive related to political stuff of the 60's and 70's > (although not for the reasons that I think most people would find them > offensive). Note, I am not however suggesting that we do a wholesale > move of potentially offensive stuff. Have somebody *ever* complained about this? Is there any PR asking that offensive stuff be removed from the default fortunes file? If not, you are overzealously attempting to solve a non-existing problem. >> Are you whiling to apply such rule to all supposedly >> political fortunes? > > My very first post on this was, "Anything that may offend someone > belongs in fortunes-o, and all political commentary belongs in this > category." All business is based on the mutual trust of one of the parts. -- Poul Henningsen [1894-1967] Verdict: offensive to businessmen Women are always anxious to urge bachelors to matrimony; is it from charity, or revenge? -- Gustave Vapereau Verdict: sexist It's the same old story; boy meets beer, boy drinks beer... boy gets another beer. -- Cheers Verdict: offensive to young men (and to alcoholics) It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. Verdict: offensive to elders There is not much to choose between a woman who deceives us for another, and a woman who deceives another for ourselves. -- Augier Verdict: sexist Home is the place where, when you have to go there, they have to take you in. -- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man" Verdict: offensive to the concepts of family and home And so on. > FWIW, while I am definitely in favor of treating all people with > courtesy and respect, =A0I am just about as > anti-mindless-political-correctness as you can possibly be. In fact, > in both my .bashrc and my xscreensaver config I use fortune -a because > as much as some of the things in there offend me, I find it refreshing > to be challenged by other viewpoints. OTOH, I am also in favor of us > building a professional-quality operating system, and while I actually > _voiced_ my objection to the removal of > "die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog" because that is not something that is > user-visible Fortune is also not visible unless explicitly invoked by the user. It is not invoked by the default /etc/csh.cshrc, /etc/csh.login or /etc/profile. Moreover, the skeleton .login and .profile files, in /usr/src/share/skel, invoke "fortune freebsd-tips", which is pretty much harmless. > I think that if we SAY there is a distinction between > fortunes and fortunes-o that we ought to follow through on that. Too late. See the verdicts above. And you are aiming an impossible goal. People can feel offended by almost anything. > Putting something that we know could (and almost certainly will) be > found offensive in the fortunes file because WE are smarter and more > sophisticated than those fools who would be offended by it is > childish, foolish, and unprofessional. The only possible solution would be creating a custom BSD, the "Boring Software Distribution": # cd /usr/src # echo WITHOUT_GAMES=3D1 >> /etc/src.conf # make love (yes, FreeBSD's make knows how to make love!) # make buildworld # ... > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Pablo Picasso As a computer scientist and software developer, I feel irremediably offended by this quotation. ;-) --=20 My preferred quotation of Robert Louis Stevenson is "You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs". Not because I like the omelettes, but because I like the sound of eggs being broken.