From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 17 09:39:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA79C2B0EEE for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kappei84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x444.google.com (mail-wr1-x444.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::444]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493WJK6jmwz4qjs for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kappei84@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x444.google.com with SMTP id i10so2257204wrv.10 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 02:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TOhGNFWeSm8foi0KmMZSOcB3gkd2VxX1jz4Ibe52eR8=; b=hjlXj1tZnvUGJirU5sZabuOdMzoSullZuUQRn+v0LDPIVnJ7SigztMjbOJIiOKNmEO nbAoRFs4GOfKpeVd06QcDyWfTdRBWy//sQc7Ue6P3u/OEEGohFxvIK23u68mOLHjVPTT JOwRRz1XWH4L7T+5/4h3rhlWeeDw1PK4s4AmkKsLu0ISgLZ8oGXN9kAHoocl+SIXTy+9 jinsRJID7PjLcARkh/uUGqNacWR2zDpmTZ/4oQzEJ9fkj9ptHqLL71sQt2PyPuJr/7mN TbvDLvBB8EOUv1HSp/gpD/3MNDNAlLRPivfrpqZ3A4aylZ6kt4xMtgd8QxEcRntJ5Ofv mmyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TOhGNFWeSm8foi0KmMZSOcB3gkd2VxX1jz4Ibe52eR8=; b=AkDh2TVFohv18VBk6IuYDeaxUbKs9KXRrk57gbOKj8N/fWWRDX9SPbybkpFXHkdEYg T0/UEgz7Y45nLpt3R/Leki+F4Jf24BXsVsxCQUyNYgcUEZjPnR2zmPFXeNk7gnzce+r8 v3PKIJsDImwTl4sjGMw5SBcbJokPcyekhiQ30Q3+5R25jtvSe0TCOjqSLDplqFwoXI7t zIpo936sren89lyFVdQHSrOGManq0dKxZGHGH8EhngJK1lripzXxoLGmxMSfcfo6gNFd xbB9bfzT+wROmv7CL2OyA2N5paIiYOlDhMoMi3WHhmltJ06ev0PTZN4fFg5N8vQwrI4o 3yPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuanmfmL6l8G0NMbThnirOYTENj/lqr+acBRY6y3mcYa0F2Lod/a /VYwdnfEM5IkauZ/1G6wZ7rjvNvdUKisVRJeBVzd X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKwdS+jUIoPHaZHTI4eKewf1OUeTUWPaUb/0QkZzRFBznvfHNPQqCvvPEncrh8onqW2irX+QIlltwEsZqu+VJ4= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5224:: with SMTP id i4mr2887104wra.1.1587115913117; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 02:31:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> In-Reply-To: From: HiMyNameIsIlNano Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:31:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: Viktor Madarasz Cc: Shane Ambler , FreeBSD Mailing List , malaizhichun@tom.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493WJK6jmwz4qjs X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hjlXj1tZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kappei84@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::444 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kappei84@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.69 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URIBL_RED(3.50)[trueos.org.multi.uribl.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[13]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com,none]; HAS_ANON_DOMAIN(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.72), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.35), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.929,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:39:14 -0000 Yes. It will be discontinued. I read an article about it a while ago. Il ven 17 apr 2020, 11:17 Viktor Madarasz ha scritto: > isnt trueos halted all future development? > > just wondering > > > On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, Shane Ambler wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:02:58 +0930 > > From: Shane Ambler > > To: malaizhichun@tom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel > architecture > > > > On 17/4/20 4:45 pm, kindu smith wrote: > >> Hello, I am a user who likes UNIX-like systems. I have some experience > >> using GNU / Linux and some experience using freebsd. I like the > >> architecture of UNIX-like systems, but I am not proficient, so I just > >> want to mention some improvements. The idea of freebsd experience, > >> what is unscientific, welcome to advise. > >> > >> First of all, freebsd's architecture is very good, no need to invent > >> the wheel, but freebsd's installation interface and startup interface > >> are too old. It is time to make some changes. I think the freebsd with > > > > Have a look at trueos.org it adds a GUI installer to freebsd. > > Expect the base freebsd to stick with a CLI installer to support the > > non-gui server installs. > > > >> microkernel will be more stable. The / boot / kernel directory is very > >> suitable for writing a small kernel, such as named core, and then > > > > I don't expect you will get much support for this change. > > > > Have a look at minix3.org, a few years back they got minix running as > > the microkernel and use netbsd as the userland. > > > >> In addition, you need to redesign the installation interface and a > >> complete desktop environment, because this is very important for > >> novices. I don't think Gnome / kde / xfce or the like is used anymore. > > > > Those three main GUI desktops are in use by many people. If you want to > > try something else have a look at x11/lumina, which is the new desktop > > made for trueOS > > > >> It is designed for Linux, and the systemd it uses is not supported by > >> Freebsd. > >> > >> Freebsd should design a gorgeous interface comparable to macos, in > > > > Don't expect freebsd to remove the CLI to replace it with a GUI. It is > > still used as a non-gui server by many people. > > > > > > > > -- > > FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing > > > > Shane Ambler > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > viktormadarasz@sdf.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >