From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 00:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08427 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08404 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:32:50 -600 Message-ID: <367A135D.471A@realtime.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:33:33 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) References: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> <367928901FE.23E8RICHARD@mail.sneaker.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org richard wrote: > > > I came across a ISP using DNEWS, whenever I access a group, my requests > will be placed into a long queue waiting for a long long fetching the > group ....... I didn't like it and left the ISP. > > Surely, as the administrator or owner of ISP , people love DNEWS, but > as a user, you might have different view over the DNEWS. > Actually, there are a lot of ways to use Dnews. Dnews has lots of options I simply don't use. I am using Dnews in the same way I was using INN. I do peer to peer NNTP, and users read live hot news. Dnews has the option to use a "sucking" feed. A sucking feed emulates a user while connecting to the upstream site. For someone with a small number of users, this is MUCH more efficient than a full feed. however if you provide feeds, or have enough users that sucking is impractical, you simply don't use it. I tested the sucking feed against my INN server when I first evaluated Dnews. I agree with the theory behind it, but I could tell within a few minutes that I didn't want that. I have thousands of users trained to expect news on demand, and the sucking feed configuration would have been unexciting to them. I'd write your experience off as an inexperienced ISP making a management decision destined for unpopularity. Just because you /can/ shoot yourself in the foot doesn't mean you should. I guess that is the universal caveat... Your milage is dependant on how YOU drive more than what you drive. Few of the complaints I get about news have anything to do with the server. In fact, I can't think of any complaints that were because of the software. Perhaps complaints on how I configured expire or something, but then not everyone understands that carrying a month of binaries is impractical. My largest problems have been that the whole thing seems clogged and poorly managed... Usenet that is... but I wouldn't have it any other way ;) George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message