From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 07:31:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055616A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:31:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684C243D58 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:31:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) iAB7Vnv46873; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jerry McAllister" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:31:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200411101620.iAAGK0H18832@clunix.cl.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Please take this somewhere else (was RE: difference X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:31:53 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:20 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please take this somewhere else (was RE: difference > > > > A person may not realize there is a place such a complaint can be > sent other than posting it on the list. Probably they could find > out by reading up on the use of the list, but if they didn't realize > the one, they might not think of the other either. So, though not > quite the right way to go about dealing with the situation, it might > not have had the dastardly intent you describe. > That is a point. > Also, there is a difference between censorship and taking an action > against abuse of persons. The behavior indicated is indeed abusive. That is a judgement that needs to be made by the people running the list, not by the recipient of 'the abuse' Anybody that is being told to shut up, or is being told they are an idiot, is going to claim it abuse. I would consider something like posting someone's complete name, address, phone number along with a statement that you and your Klan friends are going to be there Friday with a rope, to be abusive. But simple name calling? pish posh. I wish I had a nickle for every time someone swore on a mailing list! > Interdicting that type of behavior stands short of censorship, though > the issue of appropriate action is such a case is never completely clear. > Fortunately though, we don't have to make a decision on the appropriateness of any action taken. Ted