From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 18:52:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AC3E9AC6A; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [78.47.246.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0660B7381F; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221] (may be forged)) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBBIqQ34008151 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:52:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Received: from [10.58.0.4] ([10.58.0.4]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBBIqN1S070001 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:52:23 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: svn commit: r326758 - in head/sys/i386: conf include To: rgrimes@freebsd.org References: <201712111733.vBBHX2a0082236@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , Konstantin Belousov , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Conrad Meyer From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <5A2ED3E1.1060908@grosbein.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:52:17 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201712111733.vBBHX2a0082236@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, LOCAL_FROM, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Report: * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains * 1.9 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on hz.grosbein.net X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:52:38 -0000 12.12.2017 0:33, Rodney W. Grimes пишет: > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] >> 11.12.2017 23:45, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >> >>>> Understood. While I'm sure that modern internet browsers make it >>>> uncomfortable to browse with less than 4G total RAM (e.g. 2GB) available >>>> for the system thus requiring amd64, >>> >>> Browsing just fine on 2G RAM with Firefox, both under GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. >>> Where does this "uncomfortable to browse with less than 4G total RAM" false >>> narrative come from? :-/ >> >> My own experience. I use FreeBSD/amd64 as my desktop and workstation since 1999 >> and Firefox under FreeBSD always leaks memory like animal female. >> Some Firefox releases are little better than others but it's always greedy memory hog. > > I suspect your amd64 version of firefox leaks memory 1.8 times faster than > my i386 version of firefox??? Don't know. > Do you run any i386? Now I run FreeBSD 11/i386 as my home router with IPSEC and torrent client, and I run several virtualized routers with IPSEC tunnels, jabber and mail server, squid and ZFS for src/obj/ports compression and they all easily crash unless kern.kstack_pages raised upto 4. Same for some other my i386 installations having IPSEC tunnels. In times of 8.0-STABLE I realised than while it's definitley *possible* to run Firefox plus Thunderbird plus couple of small Virtualbox instances using i386, it is much more comfortable with amd64 and 8GB of RAM, so I migrated my desktop and workstation to 8.0-STABLE/amd64 and never looked back :-)