From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 07:45:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD7016A4CE for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:45:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B89243D5F for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flowers@nekulturny.org) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I6100NQI1JH2T40@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I610061H1JHL6J0@pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from procyon.nekulturny.org (S0106000c41b2b9a3.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.45.143]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I610000W1JGU7@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from procyon.nekulturny.org (localhost.nekulturny.org [127.0.0.1]) i9N7jG8v003037; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:16 -0600 (MDT envelope-from flowers@nekulturny.org) Received: (from flowers@localhost) by procyon.nekulturny.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i9N7jFRU003036; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:15 -0600 (MDT envelope-from flowers) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:15 -0600 From: Danny MacMillan In-reply-to: To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-id: <20041023074515.GB920@procyon.nekulturny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <20041022203551.85768.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Nell Weems cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [OT] Sapir-Whorfian Advertising Clause (was Advertising clause in license) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:45:20 -0000 On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 08:50:13PM -0600, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Nell, > > Just a request, please do not use the term "advertising clause" > > This is a term that was created by the Linux bigots, specifically > people like RMS who is so bigoted he can't see beyond the tip > of his nose. It has never been "advertising" before to give > credit to the authors of a software package until the pro-GPL-anti-BSD > crowd came along. It has also never been a burden of any kind > to include credit to UCB until people started to think it was > because the GPL crowd told them. And many companies used BSD > code without giving credit, and nobody cared. (for example, > Microsoft who used plenty of BSD code including BSD header files > that still had the BSD copyrights in them) Be that as it may, the term "advertising clause" seems strictly definitive, as it pertains to a clause that refers to advertising. That much at least seems obvious from what Nell fgrep'd for. I don't disagree with the substance of your point, but it is counter- productive to redefine language to suit one's political agenda. > I think it is either extremely mean-spirited to make a big > deal over this or it is a subtle BSD-bash to do so. Nobody in > the BSD community ever coined the term "advertising-clause" this > was forced on us from without, and there is no reason to use > it. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > > ... -- Danny