From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 15 07:40:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A246CE61; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566AEDE5; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (124-169-54-70.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.169.54.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6F7eUPh050052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <51E3A768.8030101@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:40:24 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Devin Teske Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] No more pkg_install on HEAD by default References: <20130712231637.GS85556@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC2DBD@ltcfiswmsgmb21> <20130713080732.GV85556@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC3AA2@ltcfiswmsgmb21> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC3C92@ltcfiswmsgmb21> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC3FAA@ltcfiswmsgmb21> <1373759460.29471.140661255344697.6A5745F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC48D7@ltcfiswmsgmb21> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC4E7E@ltcfiswmsgmb21> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC658E@ltcfiswmsgmb21> In-Reply-To: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FC658E@ltcfiswmsgmb21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Craig Rodrigues , Mark Felder , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "Teske, Devin" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:40:40 -0000 On 7/15/13 10:12 AM, Teske, Devin wrote: > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Teske, Devin > wrote: > > > I assume that poudiere builds packages from ports. > > Yes. > > > That's not how we build package repositories here (and would expect that there are many more like us). > > How do you build packages if you are not using FreeBSD ports? > > Two spectrums... > > When developer A says he needs xerces, I go to: > > (for an active release, such as 8.4 or 9.1) > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/{arch}/X.Y-RELEASE/packages/All > > (for an in-active release, such as 8.1 or 9.0) > ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/{arch}/X.Y-RELEASE/packages/All > > Meanwhile, when either developer B or integrator A says "I have software X that I want to package", we use "pkgbase" to build the FreeBSD package, the RedHat RPM, etc. > > Before you dismiss Devin's case as "corner case" I will point out to you that: 1/your pay checks are probably just one or two steps removed from his system, (almost anywhere in the world) 2/ that he is handling both FreeBSD packages AND Redhat packages , and that 3/ The last time I looked his systems were handling an amount of money per year that had 12 '0' s in it. It's probably way bigger now.