From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 11:13:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539C9106566C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afmcc@btinternet.com) Received: from nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.108.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B87148FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.108.228] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2011 11:13:03 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2011 11:13:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2011 11:13:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 635217.27329.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16425 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2011 11:13:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=20fuKrdIzmOfaRhcdQYw9xhwbArytHwKMkpxCfhNDvnpv6oD9MUr1dRddCKInFDqFHk7iuzqsX36OVNj0jiHamamKGnG12V81I9PRqW6hPNo3A5i0z6wPYnVosWMySJ1MDDsCA+5PFZXYahpUVx+Rg9oTtiuI8MNVfotYDzlhTo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1315912383; bh=yXfZWRA2Yfn5w9lC+/SoCtLFAcd9tyPNU9JE149h0nE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r0vsYv89opGn6Da9LtceG1Lv1O1Hq3MYDq9dGvW15y8e+ITtaCmGugFUb9XVb5jp4yOmL7wpkVWxG6LYQI0wWhBRLuX+DUc/vY7QWPZT7J/GhrLyoHeCpZdnVM/wy6Ocfpy1127lJRfbnLxwLAXwNwi2GWph78G4SMwXqh81VH0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: M9i67PQVM1nyS2Ckvsh44Q5ZvNBbY09SWzq4khbfWy9VkRZ WBEAC.3hA0jy9sEQkbQuCCKCVYud4kgVrdIKNZtk7F4PoRFHAs8sWkGxlkGV dK_FZVm64Z09WtV_oxg0AQcUuopIs8f9I.Cw1bXcP3ykkIFEByikmvASKWzD d2whhF8UY2RIGSW1hI.xzEKIR48Y2HliLwkUCR3NoXRLUqkYtxomUwrZULTK RaEBnXOTXwny_4HXseO9uZOqtZbfZu8hX7O6nJuSREK3zxNd4OJjKh_FnNrV IEALNe5iHQyB1YbwB4FPxQZ611hC.TOMgOpANJjB8xq96NVdvLF7t2PFKZ0R DsgLA57q_vsRS7pEjfazRjsFT5Xak2LaJ88sb3_GzaU7REukbgS.ckl6dxDI - X-Yahoo-SMTP: GbC5zv6swBDAJAX2wjERvjXPaCXFiJJLdMa.NuzRNApZ Received: from elena (afmcc@86.186.50.181 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2011 11:13:03 +0000 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:13:02 +0100 From: Tony Mc To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110913121302.750a0d8d@elena> In-Reply-To: <1315905051.1747.208.camel@xenon> References: <1315864556.1747.103.camel@xenon> <20110912190558.641a3219@seibercom.net> <20110912230943.GD33455@guilt.hydra> <4E6E99BC.4050909@missouri.edu> <1315905051.1747.208.camel@xenon> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thank you (for making the ports less boring). X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:05 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:10:51 +0200 Michal Varga wrote: > I'm not writing about this for the first time (in fact this is for the > last time, so hey, at least there's something on a positive note), but > it has gradually become nigh impossible to use FreeBSD as a modern > desktop workstation over the recent years, and especially this last > year has become a true nightmare. Michal, please understand, I am not dismissing your experience, but I think to provide some balance here I have to say that I have been using FreeBSD as my desktop OS for a few (about 10) years and I honestly believe it is now better than ever. Perhaps we simply use different sets of applications, perhaps my needs are not as complex as yours. Whatever the explanation, I am constantly surprised by the quality (by which I mean a combination of stability, up-to-date-ness, security, availability of good documentation and - always difficult to quantify - simplicity/graspability) of FreeBSD, an OS I can get for absolutely nothing that is (at least for my use) significantly better than anything else I have tried, paid for or free. Of course I sometimes hit obstacles, but they are always resolved within a few days and are never showstoppers (I can live without music on my desktop for that time, since I regard that as entertainment rather than productivity). I hope you have more joy of whatever flavour of Linux you end up using, but I fear that unless your needs are primarily about entertainment, you will only find that you have swapped one set of annoyances for another. At least that is my experience every time I try Linux because of the "Ooh, shiny!" effect. Despite being colour blind, I am deeply suspicious of what looks like greener grass on the other side of a fence. By the way, an example of how FreeBSD is now better than ever (at least for me) is that I can now run 9.0-BETA2 on my IBM Thinkpad T42 and suspend/resume works. I always had difficulties there with versions 8 and earlier and needed to run Linux on that machine while running FreeBSD on my desktop. Now I run FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE on the desktop and 9.0-BETA2 on the laptop and they work together through SSH. Best, Tony