Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 12:40:16 -0500 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <e5cb8b47-d946-daab-0334-08fb0ce24c40@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20180808171542.GA68317@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180511090813.GA21919@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <1526039986.18202.5.camel@k1.com.br> <20180731014358.GA925@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180731195608.40cee639.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180801024324.GA20419@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180801165950.6bb77eabf97c862866d13ecf@sohara.org> <20180808161156.GA66626@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180808172413.9759288eaa75f6a8024417c8@sohara.org> <20180808163722.GA67368@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180808174651.5712b734d2bf158d8442a14c@sohara.org> <20180808171542.GA68317@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru>
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On 08/08/18 12:15, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:37:22 +0700
>> Victor Sudakov <vas@mpeks.tomsk.su> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, this is not the way it works on Linux. Linux users don't run
>>>>> startx from a text session, nor do they switch between GUI sessions
>>>>> with Ctrl-Alt-Fn. They click "Switch user" and the graphical login
>>>>> screen appears where you can get authenticated.
>>>>
>>>> You can use startx and Ctrl-Alt-Fn in Linux to do this, at least
>>>> you could last time I used Linux and X.
>>>
>>> You can but nobody does because it's inconvenient and contraintuitive
>>> for the majority of users.
>>
>> I suspect I'm in a minority on FreeBSD too, but I find it handier.
>
> My wife always gets confused whether her X session is already running
> (and she should look for it by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F9, Ctrl-Alt-F10
> until she eventually finds it) or she has to start a new one.
>
> Several times she has run startx from a text session, then got
> confused where her vt was and tried to run another startx... As I said,
> contraintuitive.
Agree. The user needs to have some UNIX proficiency to go through
routine starting X from console. Long ago people just starting to use
UNIX (who, say, know only about 5 shell command), still were OK starting
X from console, and then just keeping use X. These days we usually give
them machine with display manager running ("graphic login"). So, Steve
may be right: we are just a minority (sysadmins mostly) who more likely
will use startx than running display manager process.
Valeri
>
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