From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 1 14:35:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC50D16A4CE for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C0043FD7 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:35:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andi_payn@speedymail.org) Received: from [10.1.0.9] ([68.65.235.109]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031101223509.FBRW21850.mta10.adelphia.net@[10.1.0.9]>; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:35:09 -0500 From: andi payn To: SWIT In-Reply-To: <000c01c3a0b7$8eef69a0$0100000a@Biggie> References: <20031005080039.GA23414@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <000c01c3a0b7$8eef69a0$0100000a@Biggie> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1067726104.825.371.camel@verdammt.falcotronic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:35:05 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:35:07 -0000 Meanwhile, on Sat, 2003-11-01 at 12:34, SWIT wrote: > I am just curious. But for those that continually sing unix over ms praise > you think that matters like this would be looked after so > unixes would be easier for the common man/woman to use. Do you think Microsoft always gives you new code as soon as they develop it? Of course not. So, imagine how much more complicated it is for a FreeBSD maintainer to give you new code as soon as some guy he's never met working halfway around the world develops it! Plus, being right at the bleeding edge and being easier to use are often contradictory desires. You want your system to work; you want all of the ports you install to work together; you want to have proper documentation, and a list full of people with experience using the same software on FreeBSD who can help you. All of this is often more important than having version 1.50 instead of 1.48b. Especially for the "common man/woman," who enjoys using software more than upgrading it. In essence, this is similar to (part of) the reason Microsoft doesn't give you new code right away--they want to have their QA teams go over it, and their tech support people trained on it, and their marketing people ready to spin the new bugs into features. (Of course they also want to find ways to charge you for upgrades, but that's a side issue; their service packs and hotfixes, and upgrades to IE and OE, and lots of other things, are available at no cost.) Of course any system can be improved. For example, when Mandrake wrote a simple script that scanned Freshmeat every day and emailed package maintainers with messages like, "A new version of foo, foo-1.3.21, was released today, at http://www.foo.org/foo/foo-newest.tgz", that definitely improved the freshness of their contribs repository. I'm sure there are ideas that could help FreeBSD. But I doubt there will ever be a day when every port in the tree has the very newest version available.