From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 13 19:13:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727823AA0AC for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x732.google.com (mail-qk1-x732.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::732]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BSGSP2vwqz3SkX for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x732.google.com with SMTP id 62so6182065qkj.7 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:13:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uLPki0/uJQ3ZX3TxOovhCCzqjZXM8pxBeFilzxb7uWQ=; b=YMSklDovQxuSy3Mflug4g8B/1pnnBhgs6CNwFKMhhF7U3XD70f3fBRwWiRrr8lpieH L3gGSrvQavYoAYdKbnnCKAKSmbpGj3lzoNkGYzdVApSQ9CzJ3WGAV1KLLUcqxB3+ovYA cJrJEHcG0kqlC6aLdyfTnF4r3ZDh4Y1+mCOPYI0hbO01w9evKIITrPbMv6qGiaThFiBJ L5T1diH0oE2vBg5o/GSPwqh8e5w1LI8LfGhDIZ7u/eItL5ZPOssVC5aCz54yxb5mjXJF eHCkRoWXxej1ohr8k3AEmUBN1ucuIj5Gmm1lnhheMdLK5c7yD9zAejuDzz+pCJ1TKq5d jmYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uLPki0/uJQ3ZX3TxOovhCCzqjZXM8pxBeFilzxb7uWQ=; b=CyXpGWg5mB//TtMdgy+9WX96Oo5ivg6vkeGGbmhIRc2EBtY8R++AknmbosjPMxlvHb 7Xcrj1lzTMfz4naotdRiN6hXjJPDRJ62ZODQQjS0Z5+Sf0u1WH5RpOa4JCoA9x+IBS9e kuUu85dSHDVC71WVVvRt16xGnjLPey2+MLJQBr8EJWr8YzG2gI2N18s40ijidefzn6sq kFxMC6DnCha2y0nO1ZaNzg/0EyQ1KyZ4Re1Nq9V2b7ELA2nUp2VDBI74pV/QcQmUjdbo 6B3l0jVGsJ0Ru7mxBLkSZUhd8QrspVk5os/BtVbsZCslwXHB03WT6buVECMIObVA2vTe dgow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5320tRbZg+o/O7lp3wT9NSZE2a8JkwQUY3g9TLpNPUoUGKKYfvAi KVN4OcEQqm5T4UF3FYxAKd3kk4NjqFfNQnXHjsdsBg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxIqXNykQJwn4s7IB3Fmg93c/WTWh/p0zJf2dCKpDkXXubTMURS8YR7yzKSCLrsUaptlcCHq5bMz5brz6oVUrc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9e48:: with SMTP id h69mr6184440qke.249.1597346004150; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:13:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Sierchio Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:12:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end To: "Jack L." 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Although there is evidence suggestive of them being clueless... It is possible to enforce MFA with SSH in a number of ways. E.g., pam_google_authenticator yubikeys with captive ssh private key + touch-to-sign required etc. On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:05 PM Jack L. wrote: > > Just change the ssh/rdp ports? > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:59 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > > > > Forgot to ask how common is such idiocy? And is it becoming more common? > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Aryeh Friedman > > wrote: > > > > > The hosting company for one of our clients sent the following reply t= o > > > us/them when we asked them to setup end user accounts on a dedicated > > > Windows Server, FreeBSD box and CentOS box (all VM's on the same physical > > > machine with no other VM's on the physical machine) and being told we > > > needed scriptable access (not web based non-scriptable) to the window= s > > > desktop and shell accounts (including the ability to sudo) and they agreed > > > to provide it: > > > > > > "[Insert client name here], we do not allow RDP or SSH into our > > > datacenter. They are the primary vehicles for ransomware and cryptolocker > > > breaches. We utilize a secure access portal with multi-factor > > > authentication to ensure you don't get breached." > > > > > > I kind of understand RDP (but we have had bad luck with VNC on the same > > > hosting provider in the past so we prefer RDP), but SSH!?!?!?!?! Their > > > idea of a "two factor" authentication is each connection will only be > > > allowed via a web portal and must use a one-time password sent the users > > > smartphone. Not only does this make automated deploy impossible it is a > > > complete show stopper since our service is IoT and uses its own custo= m > > > protocol. > > > > > > So how do we/the client tell the hosting company they are full of sh*= t > > > (the client has a 3 year contract with a pay in full to break clause with > > > them which would be over $100k to break) > > > > > > -- > > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > > > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. 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