From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 17 3:35:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [209.191.58.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8839D37B405 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29254 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:35:05 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: System Tuning/Sysadmins Message-ID: <20010617063505.A29241@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > > Why are you assuming that tuning takes a lot of effort? One good > sysop > is all you need. One man-week and then you are done. That's it. > If your IT department isn't up to the task then maybe you should consider firing them. > > -Matt > Matt -- Try and find good Unix folks these days. I'm in Holmdel, New Jersey and even with AT&T and Bell Labs laying off tons of folks Unix trained sysadmins with more than a minimal exposure to Linux or Unix are impossible to find. Let's get real. Universities and Colleges are not training Unix sysadmins. They're not getting trained in tech schools -- which are turning out Cisco and Windows certifications galore. The type of person who mucks with systems for fun is rare and often you just can't find them when you want them. (Want to work here in New Jersey at Ureach... send me resumes) That's why Solaris and SVR4 has gotten easier to tune. AT&T made a decision to have the boot -r reconfigure /dev and do the MAKEDEV automatically. Edit /etc/master and rebuild the kernel. Heck no, run this gui-like tool and we'll rebuild it for you and you can skip all the headaches... we'll even update the boot pointers to the new kernel for you. It's been a long time since I built Xelos on a Concurrent 3230 box... I remember compiling and linking the kernel in a ram disk in order to begin the process of loading the stuff to disk. Most folks forget just how Admin-unfriendly Unix was back in the bad old days. Need a new device driver -- rebuild and relink everything -- no demand loading of drivers. Compare this to proprietary vendor OS's of the time. Easier tuning would not be a bad thing... just it's a shame what passes for Admin and Operations staff these days. Most of these guys couldn't add a user to Solaris without useradd and admintool. Let 'em just try it with vi... and watch the fun. Some don't know the difference between /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/services. --Bill pechter@ureach.com -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message