From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 21:10:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EBA16A418 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.neese@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736E013C459 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.neese@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so471104nzf.13 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:10:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=jTdumm6m1wJKAk5cvw2DWv8SCyxF9QsuKiHd7yVO0M8=; b=LkSvrY4L9aiZ2sqjprM3sAGas/80/+atZX/2qj4aY2AZIBja9SwQGfUxdSI2F0ThD9K/5doTEJWQGZQtrZJPe5qju98J5OS/fooUC88ZFSuBVo6Gd3Dr3A5a3cAoPNFYedXZeNvyqChLIZ/rBpOKhaZ36X/1lrQPFS4GrFJoTtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=GAm9cmF6s4MXcEwz88jO+hjI3HqukwTSVL+yItpKHvV+l9uZN98TDvSUOmS9EpiGunegyWNWRDCZ83Q4EkMY7Mw2wMTovdWr6d6Rvvw0gZmtA/dZoYOvA/sRakCHSxZIypjv5fEdzU2G8nwJmbJdCMHlr+4MG81pwYEW9x7+rkQ= Received: by 10.142.102.5 with SMTP id z5mr2139582wfb.15.1198701772699; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.deamonswitch.org ( [69.234.208.201]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18sm28007727wxd.18.2007.12.26.12.42.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:42:52 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Neese To: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:43:06 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071226.003547.-932932005.imp@bsdimp.com> <20071226180415.GA27409@soaustin.net> <20071226.114224.-432836428.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20071226.114224.-432836428.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712261243.08351.r.neese@gmail.com> Cc: linimon@lonesome.com, stable@freebsd.org, mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com, freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PR backlog X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: r.neese@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:10:15 -0000 I agree with this and there is also the 2nd issue of commiters not responding to those working on updating ports. Point and Fax I have emaile Sobomax about fixing and updating the asterisk ports. and have sent patches but never got a reply in 9 months. If your going to be a maintainer you need to respond to those working on projects already in ports. On December 26, 2007 10:42:24 am M. Warner Losh wrote: > Mark and Henrik make a number of good points here. Rather than reply > to the details, I'm going to make a couple of quick observations. > > As a project we're not leveraging the community sufficiently when it > comes to contributions. The current system of patch review and > submission is very hap-hazard. If you happen to get the attention of > the right person at the right time, then it goes in. If not, patches > can languish a long time in the PR system. > > The PR system is also the wrong tool for the job. While Mark touches > on the cultural issues in play, they are exacerbated by the > misapplication of a problem system to be a patch submission and > tracking system. Maybe we need to adopt a practice from the Linux > community. At least for arm kernel patches, there is a two step > process: submit it to a mailing list for review and refinement, with > the second step being submitting it into a queue. I'm not sure the > details we need to be successful in the FreeBSD project. > > Many of the USB patches in the PR system I left alone because I didn't > have the time and/or knowledge to evaluate them for inclusion, or I > saw something obviously wrong in the patch. When I was trying to just > get through the obviously trivial patches. > > Warner > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-usb-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Welcome to the World. An the World gets smaller.