From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 21:50:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25310 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25300 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02224; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35C93615.D83647EC@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:50:29 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vince Vielhaber CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters ranted: > > You don't understand: if you don't have a "master" device plugged into > > that "IDE2" connector on your motherboard, YOU DON"T HAVE A SECOND IDE > > CONTROLLER! The "controller" on IDE is ON THE DRIVE, that's what > > "Integrated Drive Electronics" means. Vince Vielhaber wrote: > If the BIOS, dos, windoze, linux, OS/2, etc. can detect and use a device > on the slave with no "master" your statement is slightly amiss. AND QUIT > SHOUTING! Sorry 'bout the yelling, but this is SUCH a newbie question: "I've configured my hardware wrong, and FreeBSD doesn't work with it, even though (insert your favorite piece of PC bovine excrement software, which includes your BIOS here) does. Why don't you bozos get your act together?" If we could afford to pay a team of 15 engineers for a month to figure out how to talk to the controller on a SLAVE disk, we probably still wouldn't, because we could also pay them to improve something on a correctly configured system. If you really feel it is important to have the system correctly probe and support an improperly configured IDE bus, or better yet, just to report that it is improperly configured, feel free to email patches to hackers@freebsd.org. I'm sure one of the commiters will be glad to check out your changes and commit them if they are the work of brilliance you want. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message