From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Apr 7 0:11:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7FC37B941 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17934 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA35761 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:11:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D6437B8BB; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA39895; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200004070711.AAA39895@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh In-Reply-To: <200004070704.AAA00502@mass.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Apr 7, 2000 00:04:22 am" To: msmith@freebsd.org (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: arch@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [CC: trimmed to -arch again] > > [CC: trimmed to -arch] > > > In message <20000406134916.A23265@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: > > > : highly irritated at root's shell being one of poor UI. Of the [t]csh > > > : users I know, only about 10% use csh over tcsh and that is only because > > > : csh is in the base system. Those people would not even notice the extra > > > : tcsh features. > > > > I just had to go look to see if I could find some stats as the 10% number > > seemed wrong to me the first time. From Freefall, what I would call a > > pretty good representation of hard core BSD users :-) we have the following > > stats: > > > > freefall:rgrimes {107} ypcat passwd | grep bin/csh | wc > > 44 163 2965 > > freefall:rgrimes {108} ^cs^tcs > > 115 406 9409 > > > > Ahhh... 44/115 != 0.10 == 0.38 or 38%. David's statistic is off by a > > factor of 3.8 :-( > > Ah, statistics. However, we know that of the former category, 15 have > never logged in and thus probably haven't wanted to change their shell. > (There are others that have wanted to change away in the past but can't > because of the YP setup). OTOH, only 13 tcsh users have never logged in. > So, in adjusted figures that's 29/102 or 28%. Your numbers are more than > 33% overstated. 8) The 13 tcsh users probably specifically requested tcsh or they would have ended up with csh by default, so here are some more stats for you... (44-15)/115=0.25 or 25%, so my number was actually 35/28=1.52 or 52% over stated. The original 10% was still 250% understated. I'll take stats 52% in error over 250%, or 2.5/0.52=4.8 times more accurate any day. :-) :-) :-) (I can use and abuse them just as good as the next guy... unless he happens to be the author of the book by the similiar name...). -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message