From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 29 14:52:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.de (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BDF37B405 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from usselmann.m@icg-online.de) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15cDGG-0006WM-05; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:52:36 +0200 Received: from icg-pc202.icg-online.de (06192901197-0001@[217.88.168.58]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 15cDG4-0r1xmiC; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:52:24 +0200 Received: from icg-pc206.hofheim.icg-online.de (IDENT:manfred@icg-pc206.hofheim.icg-online.de [10.1.2.206]) by icg-pc202.icg-online.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA90697; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:09:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from usselmann.m@icg-online.de) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:58:06 +0200 From: Manfred Usselmann To: "ZWH" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distribution Question (Was: Would like comments...) Message-Id: <20010829235806.4f99859b.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20010829082432.52f0b72d.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> Organization: ICG IT Consulting GmbH X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.5.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.17-14smp (RH 7.0) User-Agent: Sylpheed (http://sylpheed.good-day.net/) X-Internet-Site: http://www.icg-online.de/iwg/?bereich=icg X-Address: Bahnstrasse 7, 65835 Liederbach, Germany X-message-flag: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 06192901197-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:56:27 -0600 (MDT) "ZWH" wrote: > /* Just my opinion mind you, JAVA SUCKS; and anyone who depend upon > JAVA to do their background work in I-net is just using a crude tool > where assiduous application of creative insight could and would be > better */ IMHO Java does not suck at all. Why do you think it does? > > Because nobody has determined it to be important enough to make it > > native. You can use all the Linux programs you need under > > "emulation," BTW... so why fix something that isn't directly related > > to FreeBSD being a SERVER OS? > > > > /* See above. JAVA was someone's wet dream ions ago. Java is a reality today and becoming increasingly important for building web services and enterprise applications. Java technology commands a 96 percent share of the application server market, and at the other end of the computing spectrum, millions of Java technology-enabled phones are in the hands of Japanese, Korean, and North American subscribers. > It's time for a new tool! */ What is your new tool? .NET, Microsofts answer to Java? A Java technology-like platform but with their closed and proprietary business model? > > > I am not sure if FreeBSD should really be regarded as a pure server > os. > I don't think so. > > > /* Silly */ > A convincing argument. Something else? > > > But anyway, Java is even more important on the server side than on a > workstation. > > > > /* JAVA is slow, sloppy, and a major security risk. End of story. */ Security risk? You heard this from Microsoft, right? :-) > The industrie standard for application server is J2EE (Java > 2 Enterprise Edition). > > > > > > /* Says who? Where is this "Standard" written? By whose standards? */ J2EE is a standard for developing multitier enterprise applications designed by a range of enterprise computing vendors. The standard represents a collaboration between leaders from throughout the enterprise software arena including OS and database management system providers, middleware and tool vendors, and vertical market applications and component developers. The specification: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/j2ee-1_3-pfd4-spec.pdf J2EE licensees: ATG, BEA Systems, Borland Corp., BroadVision, Brokat, Cape Clear Software, Compaq, Computer Associates, Fujitsu, Hitachi, HP Bluestone, IBM, In-Q-My, Interworld, IONA Technologies, iPlanet E-Commerce Solutions, Macromedia, MERANT, NEC, Nokia, Oracle Corporation, Persistence Software, Pramati, SAS Institute, Secant, SilverStream, Sonic Software Corporation, Sybase, Talarian, Tmax Soft, TogetherSoft, Trifork Technologies, WebGain > > > > > Just to name a few: Bea WebLogic, IBM Websphere, > Borland AppServer, ATG Dynamo, Sun/Netscape IPlanet, JBoss, Orion, > Allaire JRun etc. > If you don't want to use Microsofts ASP / .NET solutions you need Java > on the server for the competing technologies around Servlets, JSP's > and EJB's... > > > /* Need and Want are two different things! Just because JoeBlow down > the street uses a chain saw to do wood carvings, does that mean that I > need disregard my set of wood carving tools? Sure the chain saw is > available at the store, and sure the chain saw is JoeBlow's standard > tool of choice, and sure JoeBlow makes $$$ hand over fist with his > chain saw. Think, JAVA is doomed for fading obscurity in years to > come. > Be original. Take another look at the wood carving tools in the back > corner of your closet. */ I agree that it is quite obvious that it makes no sense to use a chain saw for wood carving. Not sure what this has to do with Java. Java is evolving as part of the standard infrastructure for e-business applications. I may face increased competition from Microsoft's .Net online operating platform. This will become an interesting battle for supremacy in the Web services arena between Java and .NET. Manfred -- ________________________________________________________________________ Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message