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From: Richard Chang <richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
To: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
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Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package.
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On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Terry Lambert wrote:

> > 	Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X 
> > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and 
> > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD?
> 
> You mean 5.4 (Solaris 2.4)?  That's the first one that shipped with
> Motif instead of OpenLook (OpenWindows).

	It should be 5.4 since one looks closer to motif...

> The HP environment is called "VUE".  It's Motif plus some tools, like
> the little control/button box at the bottom of the screen, some drag
> targets (for printing, etc.), a clock, and a file manager.
> 
> HP VUE is a component of CDE (the Common Desktop Environment), which
> is available as a seperate disk for Solaris (2.x SunOS -- SVR4) systems.

	Okay...

> There are companies selling CDE; generally the licensing of CDE is
> only slightly more expensive than Motif (unless you are Novell or
> some other comany and can "trade" technology so you don't have to
> pay any of the OSF or HP royalties).
> 
> 
> My problem with CDE (and Motif as a component of CDE) as a standard
> is that you must pay to license the technology.  It is effectively a
> standards-granted monopoly on UNIX user interfaces.
> 
> The intent, obviously, is to require a "buy-in" to be allowed to
> compete in the UNIX market.
> 
> 
> Without the "buy-in" or the type of trades Novell (now SCO, I guess)
> and the other big vendors have engaged in using imaginary money to
> drop the royalty costs, this means that the cost to the free systems
> for the same technology is more than the cost of a commercial system.
> 
> That's why I approve of a project *like* Lesstif, even if I don't
> approve of the implementation practices or licensing of Lesstif
> itself (I'd *really* like to see a "FreeCDE" project).
> 
> 
> So there is a way: license CDE seperately from a third party that
> doesn't have a royalty buy-off, and pay through the nose for it.
> 
> 8-(.

	Hmmm, is there anything even close to CDE for fwvm?  or has the 
same functions?

Richard