From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 14 17:10:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845ABDF4; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "troutmask", Issuer "troutmask" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BA2AEC2; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5EHAWiu005906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t5EHAV78005905; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:10:31 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Bruce Simpson Cc: Slawa Olhovchenkov , Craig Rodrigues , Marcel Moolenaar , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , Marcel Moolenaar , "src-committers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls Message-ID: <20150614171031.GA5857@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> <860017ED-D754-450C-865D-2D81A30C2212@xcllnt.net> <20150614100045.GF58397@zxy.spb.ru> <557D55CB.5050009@fastmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <557D55CB.5050009@fastmail.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:10:42 -0000 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:22:03AM +0100, Bruce Simpson wrote: > > But I have yet to see a coherent argument here -- size(1) numbers, RSS > figures etc. -- about how it allegedly adds bloat. Most of what I've > seen so far is POLA, NIH resistance, and hand-wavery. > It is not alleged. I actaully measured the bloat libxo caused when w(1) was converted. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-March/054917.html Here's the bloat with ls(1) % ldd /bin/ls /bin/ls: libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x2807d000) libncursesw.so.8 => /lib/libncursesw.so.8 (0x2808f000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x280db000) % ll /bin/ls -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 28568 Jun 7 21:01 /bin/ls* % ldd /bin/ls /bin/ls: libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x2807d000) libncursesw.so.8 => /lib/libncursesw.so.8 (0x2808f000) libxo.so.0 => /lib/libxo.so.0 (0x280db000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x280ec000) laptop-kargl:kargl[204] ll /bin/ls -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 31376 Jun 14 10:06 /bin/ls* -- Steve