From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Nov 16 1:24:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F1737B401 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nucleus.com (mail.nucleus.com [207.34.93.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B68843E42 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:24:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grant.cooper@nucleus.com) Received: from donatev49iknkl (unverified [205.206.172.27]) by mail.nucleus.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c28d52$9cfa28b0$1baccecd@donatev49iknkl> From: "Grant" To: "R. Zoontjens" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" , "Jack L. Stone" References: <3.0.5.32.20021115085038.010abd98@mail.sage-one.net> <3.0.5.32.20021115094626.010abd98@mail.sage-one.net> Subject: Re: restore question Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:29:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey Mr. Stone, Is it possible to see your backup and recovery scripts? You seem to know what your talking about. I'm sure I could learn something I haven't seen before or an administrator trick. :) Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack L. Stone" To: "R. Zoontjens" ; "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: RE: restore question > At 04:32 PM 11.15.2002 +0100, R. Zoontjens wrote: > > > >Jack L. Stone wrote, > > > >> Hard disks, at least IDEs are really inexpensive. Why not just keep a > >> second or third HD on your machine(s) to do backups.....?? > > > >Environmental hazard... like fire e.g. or the server motherboard burns out, > >water damage, etc... > >I can take tapes to another location. I do not have the money to afford a > >hot-site :> > > > >Don't want my backups near something like this: > >http://www.radecom.nl/images/Fire.jpg > > > >Like the bible of backup/recovery says (Unix backup & recovery -- by Curtis > >Preston): > > > >1. Define (un)acceptable loss > >2. Back up everything > >3. Organize your backups > >--> 4. Protect against disasters > >5. Document > >6. test,test,test > > > > While that may have been the bible, common sense should apply and also > times change. Last time I looked Tape drives and tapes were very expensive. > HDs have become cheap, but until a year or so ago, they were not so cheap. > This changes the dynamics while that "bible" remains static.... > > One can buy a 80GB HD for less than $100.00. A 40GB for about $70.00. How > much do tape drives & tapes cost..??? I do have tape for quick offsite > removal..... BUT, that tape is NOT as current as having a HD backup every > day or even several times a day. We're not talking about disaster programs > here, but backups and restores expeditiously. > > Furthermore, I did not say one shouldn't use tapes too if they choose to. > Nor did I say I didn't keep backups offsite. One can never have too many > backups. But, if I want my CURRENT data to be backed up should my main HD > suddenly crash, I don't want to go looking for a tape backup to restore > that takes a long time and is not nearly as current. > > Moreover, take a look, now there are accessories that are like drawers that > hold your HD so they slip right in and out. Even have a handle on the > front. What is to stop one from pulling out a HD from the backup server > that has the server backups...???? > > If one doesn't have the budget for extra HDs, then other methods must be > used obviously.... > > Common sense + backup/restore program + budget = solution (probably left > something out of that quick equation). > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Administrator > > SageOne Net > http://www.sage-one.net > jackstone@sage-one.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message