From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 25 19:23:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ABA16A4F4 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [83.167.185.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749A543D1D for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6402965211; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:22:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 91792-01-2; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:22:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from empiric.dek.spc.org (host81-134-90-164.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.134.90.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7EF651EB; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:22:15 +0100 (BST) Received: by empiric.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CAC7A64CF; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:22:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:22:56 +0100 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20050425192256.GB2339@empiric.icir.org> References: <20050425141053.76034863.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20050425144147.68377ea5.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050425144147.68377ea5.wmoran@potentialtech.com> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Pete French Subject: Re: Newbie Question About System Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:12 -0000 On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 02:41:47PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > This might be the only real advantage of a serial console. The unit you > pointed to is ~$4000.00, whereas 16-port serial console units run more > like $1000.00. Then again it's possible to build terminal servers with ssh capabilities using off-the-shelf hardware and open source software for anything from $200-$400. Depending on how exotic you wish to get, however. For example; IBM have embedded RFB (that's something of an alias for VNC) in their management controllers for a few years now; these talk to the management processors (PowerPC 4xx family) in an xSeries cluster over an RS488 serial bus, which in turn are able to sniff PCI VGA accesses to give you true remote KVM. But I agree with the original point that was made about colo and remote management -- if you can't fit remote management into a colo situation, your management costs will increase far more if things go wrong. Regards, BMS