From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 25 03:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70ED16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123F843D1D for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:10:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P39UZD042212; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:10:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20050124.201048.21921498.imp@bsdimp.com> To: lidl@pix.net From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20050124124250.A27718@pix.net> References: <20050124083043.GA8729@kukulies.org> <20050124151612.GC628@cicely12.cicely.de> <20050124124250.A27718@pix.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: ttyd0/cuad0 - why is there still this duality ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:10:43 -0000 In message: <20050124124250.A27718@pix.net> "Kurt J. Lidl" writes: : Having seperate dialout and dialin devices really are just a kludge : for having the kernel doing locking that could be done in userland : code. That's not why they are there. : Just because FreeBSD does this the same way it's been done on : BSD-ish systems for the last 15 years doesn't mean there isn't a : better way of doing it. That's uncalled for. The real reason that they are there is that ttyd waits for carrier detect, while cua doesn't. Warner