From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEF216A4CF; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:05:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBBF43D54; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:05:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (64-144-75-100.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2L5Kag054901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:05:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:05:26 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20041202160526.7ea90d78@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041202205407.GD78684@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041129185546.GA74655@freebsdmall.com> <20041202204413.GN753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202205407.GD78684@abigail.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Murray Stokely cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:05:22 -0000 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:54:07 +0100 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:44:13PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > On 2004.11.29 10:55:46 -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:03:20AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > > - Redoing the build system (make files), because it clearly shows its > > > > > age and several things are broken, e.g. OBJDIR. > > > > > > > > Makes sense. I'd be happier seeing a comprehensive list of the things > > > > that are broken though, so we can measure the replacement and make sure > > > > it solves the problems. > > > > > > Yes, a few of the recent additions (like mirrors.xml) broke parts of > > > the build, and it might be better to just fix those broken commits of > > > the past few years rather than starting from scratch. > > > > OBJDIR was broken way before mirrors.xml. Also, I'm not really > > talking about starting on a clean slate. Of course parts of the the > > current buildsystem is just fine, but others are just a mess. > > > > I can confirm that, since I'm guilty of this OBJDIR issue. It's not > possible to "easily" fix it without changing a lot of things, so it's > better to start a rewrite from zero. Which is a lot of work, I think everyone agrees on that. But we can do it. There is a handful of smart and well meaning committers here who I feel, if given more time and pointed in a direction of "what we should do" will come through perfectly. Right now all we have been doing is bouncing around doing whatever. There is just no real sense of direction. -- Tom Rhodes