From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 29 20:55:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9885316A4CE for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:55:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B0443D45 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:55:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E2D4B3FB; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42729FBF.8010800@cordula.ws> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:57:35 +0200 From: cpghost User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050428) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Sconiers References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050426233321.084e9210@cobalt.antimatter.net> <51899.216.177.243.42.1114584317.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050427001118.0327cd50@cobalt.antimatter.net> <52515.216.177.243.42.1114586501.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <61359.216.177.243.35.1114722481.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: /dev/null cc: Guido Falsi cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:55:52 -0000 John Sconiers wrote: >Adding less then a meg here or there is not bloat. > It is a mistake to assume that memory is cheap and always easily available and/or upgradable. There are quite a lot of embedded systems out there, that run FreeBSD out-of-the-box, without the need to tweak or manually remove all that unnecessary eye candy. Such systems come with RAM soldered on-board, so they are impossible to upgrade. If you really want a GUIfied installer (and please remember that some hardware like Soekris boxes don't even have VGA circuitery!), then please only as a port (that would create a custom boot image), or as an optional add-on. The default install should still be possible over serial line and on striped down hardware. The same holds true for boot banners: not every hardware out there has hires graphics capabilities. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/