From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 2 10:43:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669965A4 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpaasial@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001D48F3 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k13so272558wgh.17 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 03:43:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yWfYzCyqs+ApRXil2Us9A76grMtrnhoVEF4uhW3w134=; b=cdEeezelYXTnqWJUSc3A+LUTduhHF9bXvn8PkFi//FTTBIkzYWJxuOuYx4IDdzcdl1 9qWMT0Z45AwicMR8WFwvVtL7PJegwYTTNmPnVHBrpDTsD0giRCImQDahQy/Ae0Vqjot/ CenKaqNBd56r7apaeFyxXvupLt6ONJp4dtdUnYfFDDCYm8X3j+kHVM3UcxKK1pLDJ0z2 pRhiPtGjxhMM8w8B1aYOhwI5WtudoXGUgyUb+AY+BVhj1o59GWb343HfRQuJzEtM5WMs ip+w7zUBGbm9BNLsdNhFTS2dRYzEECLObkP1eN0Q9uIzrStOYm6gpZ+hkTuiJvNbREnS NTRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.60.195 with SMTP id j3mr20667531wjr.33.1364899435849; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 03:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.139.72 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 03:43:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <515AB309.30006@achimhut.de> References: <944760435.20130401210118@serebryakov.spb.ru> <8638v9e22j.fsf@ds4.des.no> <515AB309.30006@achimhut.de> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:43:55 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: considering i386 as a tier 1 architecture From: Kimmo Paasiala To: Achim Hut Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:43:57 -0000 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Achim Hut wrote: > Am 02.04.2013 12:13, schrieb Kimmo Paasiala: > >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav w= rote: >>> >>>> Wojciech Puchar writes: >>>>> >>>>> Lev Serebryakov writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not exact so. Some Atoms on some motherboards with some >>>>>> firmwares are 64-bit CPU. >>>>> >>>>> don't know of any now in shops that are not >>>> >>>> >>>> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html >>>> http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html >>>> >>>> DES >>>> -- >>>> Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no >>>> >>> >>> >>> I am NOT able to understand the merit of these products with respect to >>> their features and PRICES . >>> >>> It is possible to assemble much more cheaper full featured PC like >>> systems >>> ( DDR3 memory , 64-bit capable processors , with a disadvantage about >>> power >>> requirements ) . >>> >>> >> >> >> Power consumption. > > > > > ...Space - Price - temperature, easy to use, no Fans, no Noise... > > I was surprised about this discussion and first thought, its some kind of > april joke. > > Everybody talks about cheap new 64 bit hardware > > But how about the hardware people are actualy using? In our datacenter we > are running (beside 64bit machines) a large amount of 32bit servers. We h= ave > a room full of spare parts, spare servers... > > And we have no reason to change them to 64bit hardware. HP, IBM, they all > run since years and i am shure, they make 5-10 more years :-) > > And we dont want to stop using FreeBSD after V9.x or so. > > Dont forget there are a lot of different people with different needs out > there. Not everybody puts his focus on a cheap desktop PC thats thrown aw= ay > after 3 years > > Achim It is in fact an April Fools Joke :D However, it does not invalidate some of the points made. ARM is going to dominate the desktop/laptop/tablet/smartphone market very soon and it would be very wise for FreeBSD to shift the focus to it as soon as possible. -Kimmo