From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Apr 15 19:47:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856042BFDCD for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gate2.funkthat.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 492Xtj2dZvz4JGb for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03FJl62P054697 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03FJl5w3054696; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:47:05 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: Freddie Cash , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <20200415194705.GX4213@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Wojciech Puchar , Freddie Cash , FreeBSD Hackers References: <1FFE298E-A609-4570-A0BD-E530996C92CF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: D87A 235F FB71 1F3F 55B7 ED9B D5FF 5A51 C0AC 3D65 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: https://www.funkthat.com/ X-Resume: https://www.funkthat.com/~jmg/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 492Xtj2dZvz4JGb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jmg@gold.funkthat.com has no SPF policy when checking 208.87.223.18) smtp.mailfrom=jmg@gold.funkthat.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.20)[-0.202,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.49)[ip: (-1.26), ipnet: 208.87.216.0/21(-0.63), asn: 32354(-0.50), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[funkthat.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.16)[-0.158,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[jmg@funkthat.com,jmg@gold.funkthat.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:32354, ipnet:208.87.216.0/21, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[jmg@funkthat.com,jmg@gold.funkthat.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:47:10 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote this message on Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 09:39 +0200: > > No, this wasn't an in-depth review of using FreeBSD for any particular purpose. But it was a decent review of the installation > > process, pointing out pain-points to those "not in the know". > > Actually it would be better to be no installer at all, but instalation > instructions. I remember FreeBSD 1.1 install instructions fondly. https://twitter.com/encthenet/status/816072254354178048 -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."