From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue May 21 10:53:58 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B210215A9FE4 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimpase@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 325BC8878E for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimpase@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id h19so15450725ljj.4 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:53:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nC6fZGEUvVXNHde8wRxUefXgR9a0Igw17ClFGC5Pa5w=; b=unoUU/wDPw5qhOKaJGeUlXI35V1HEV3DedhT86z0ETd7G/hrvN2rfQeV1lcO5FV7uN WMQhdDZsxx7Wrywxo7CNUsRdT2Y4Yw3An0aDFG7TPbWXoPL+Qny0IKyrzHWp5K6uwMQz jwGB7km3yvoUxcsAcBPlDeqELmKhwK3OJCNcTsn2aPz1NfjzS4i/Zxhgq8xd/8SlEVD+ zQqMH04vlTlh45BZ3hlOWut5bI7+FC37rEfH4Zow4tbC9jsZM2iwT0brSOAfCh722Trf Q7zZqpYuza4QeFpY0mQ7xcxQaUrY5L4n+/ZMv2QypCCTnil1Gy1IR0x6TY3SMDbisvFW MPHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nC6fZGEUvVXNHde8wRxUefXgR9a0Igw17ClFGC5Pa5w=; b=QqiR+WJGj55+RK2qFsNpl3OB+J5Z7LARATBsVTlp/6YoqQxzkW/t9YGXezvTBUeHcl uS+e1VsQqW3CsQ25DenNRqFbRyXGEB9P++DdD/v1Uyy6++lFKAmGL/WDe0I6goMscIxF Qk7EdIAtRZnjR1oJOwyPMjykqVdhzv8WHUq+gxb6TKTu1SDGbGmy+BoT0ml4iWlMzuKA pkOLcacu0Y9Rjifw4f6igDECGKy8bXpbH1tl3yBSa+oSWgsR4G69hrwD1sEWxPhsTR6P mRQ6Uk7YR2TOQfyPONn93Ahox5X185K1q/z8LNF9QT1Z6a2sWdM0qN1pYzHZE01P8FzW UUag== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX19UFeGv6i8qzPJ4XdKG8ZRqU46tXnpWvPso7qIswgLdeo5fYg ByKlw8ZZtN40E/X15OJNWu73/ij/FvhxT/Mt11M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrEj7TTfNPGsgTWxn7FMWwxA9cdTTumjIPcvGM09koPyochK1wh8j2FB/7nVe+lEen22zTvjaKH7JXDT4bFnk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:98c1:: with SMTP id s1mr32040621ljj.68.1558436035265; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:53:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868svf6r05.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <00144DCD-7DB6-475A-9719-D5B714B84DC8@cs.huji.ac.il> <7a43b8820ec8507b66811b441c9e2301@ultra-secure.de> In-Reply-To: From: Dima Pasechnik Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 11:53:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts To: Sulev-Madis Silber Cc: "rainer@ultra-secure.de" , Igor Mozolevsky , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 325BC8878E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=unoUU/wD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dimpase@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dimpase@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.37 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hot.ee]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.647,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.72)[ip: (-9.06), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 10:53:58 -0000 On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > > the discussion somehow diverted away from original idea... > > as i'm not politically correct person at all, i say that single report is > not enough... I'd second this report any time, if this is needed. There should be no whitewashing of Twitter hate speech like the one on http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/israel/ coming from freebsd.* domain. It has nothing to so with freedom of speech etc, it's simply harmful for the project. > it doesn't matter if legit or troll... > it's also quite wrong if case gets special attention just because offended > person adds that (s)he's discriminated because x If you read my other email on this topic https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2019-May/073464.html you might understand why "I hate X", with "X" a particular ethnic group, in FreeBSD context is not a good idea. > > i actually find it weird why the problem can't be directed to specific > person... why do we need to turn it into "against group" issue > > > On Monday, May 20, 2019, wrote: > > Am 2019-05-20 11:33, schrieb Igor Mozolevsky: > >> > >> So you think a discussion on whether it is appropriate that CoC Ctte > >> restricts freedom of expression is bikeshedding? > >> > >> Thank you for your valuable contribution! > > > > > > IMO, the CoC was not meant to solve, decide or even regulate discussion > about decades-old, very controversial geo-political problems. > > > > As such, I don't think it even applies here and the complaint should be > dismissed on these grounds. > > > > Of course, the FreeBSD project is free to boot developers from its ranks > more or less at will (not sure if you can sue your way back in) - but for > that a new CoC wouldn't have been needed to begin with ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"