From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 5 22:15:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (mail2.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C8E158FD for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-71-67.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.71.67]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14298; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA48644; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:16:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) To: winter@jurai.net Cc: danderso@crystalsugar.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCWeek article by Anne Chen -- Comments In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 5 May 1999 15:49:41 -0400 (EDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990506011645R.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:16:45 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 82 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Matthew N. Dodd" Subject: Re: PCWeek article by Anne Chen -- Comments Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:49:41 -0400 (EDT) > On Wed, 5 May 1999, Dale Anderson wrote: > > [...] often our job performance is rated on up-time. Usually by pointy-haired little men with a mean streak :^P > > Won't be using Linux in that case. :) > > > For these reasons, we like native applications over "Emulated > > enviroments." > > You guys must hate AS/400s. That's a pretty good one. Even the S/38, from which the AS/400 was derived, was an emulated environment (virtual machine). DP/MIS/IT folks loved both but I just couldn't stand RPG. *blech* IBM's "secret" systems programming tools weren't that bad though. > > Anyone who brandishes an IT title is more than likely clueless. Why must > people continue to reinvforce this again and again? > Most of the IT people I've seen brandishing their titles around Unix places seem to be the retrained types, mostly from CICS backgrounds and are often busy porting legacy CICS/COBOL code to Java/CORBA. Every so often, this subculture decides to change what it calls itself. Over my career of nearly twenty years it's been: 1. Data Processing This period was notable for the sheer mass of stupid software which was written to appease pointy-haired little men with stupid ideas. Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. 2. Management Information Systems During this period AI/CASE was strongly advocated as a silver bullet to avoid hiring a horde of programmers to develop even more stupid programs which were being demanded by pointy-haired little men. This generation was formed by the replacements for those who got fired for buying IBM. Nobody ever got fired for buying a Vax. 3. Information Technology This is our current evolutionary regression. The current end-all solution is to write stupid programs demanded by pointy-haired little men with stupid ideas exclusively in Java, using CORBA as the mechanism used to communicate stupidity rapidly throughout the enterprise network. This generation is mostly controlled by the replacements for the folks who got fired for buying Vaxes. After all, nobody ever gets fired for buying Microsoft. :-) Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message