From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:53:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C553A16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:53:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4023843D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:53:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 76A081C0008D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4228C1C0008C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206105341271.4228C1C0008C@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1837626073.20050206115340@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:53:43 -0000 Sandy Rutherford writes: SR> Hold on a second. Shared P-to-P directories certainly are indexed and SR> Finckenstein knew this. Where are they indexed? I though P-to-P was a proprietary protocol--which implies that public services like Google can't index it. An index internal to the P-to-P system wouldn't count, because it would still be effectively visible only to people using that system ... like e-mail systems. SR> True, but it is not the person who puts the content on a website that SR> is doing the copying. It is the person who downloads it. If the content came from another Web site, it was copied. Google copies content, for example, when it caches indexed Web pages. And indeed, it also downloads the content, since it has to do that to get it from the original site in the first place. SR> If I own a CD, then it is legal for me to make as many copies as I SR> wish, as long as I don't distribute them. And as long as the extra copies don't allow you deprive the copyright owner of revenue in some way, usually. For example, if it allows you to run multiple copies of a game for all the people in your office, it's probably an infringement. SR> He certainly did understand the issue, at least as it relates to SR> Canadian copyright law. (He is a justice of the Federal Court of SR> Appeals, after all. He does know his law.) I'm sure he knows the law. But a lot of judges don't know the technology. They can apply the law correctly if they understand exactly what the technology is doing, but often they don't know exactly what the technology is doing and rely on incomplete analogies they've read or heard somewhere. SR> It is important to remember that copyright and patent rights are not SR> "God-given rights". Like all jurisprudence, they are man-made for SR> purely pragmatic reasons. It is in the best interests of society SR> that creativity be fostered. Creativity is best fostered by SR> protecting intellectual property rights, but not doing so in a SR> manner which overly restricts the free-flow of ideas. Agreed. Which is why I think copyright should be rolled back to the original term of 28 years, renewable once. This "lifetime of the author plus 1000 years" trend is ridiculous. But while copyright is in effect, it must be observed, in order to keep the creators of content from starving. SR> A delicate balance must be struck. Looking for ways to adapt the SR> current copyright and patent laws, which were largely devised at the SR> time of the industrial revolution, to the computer age is basically SR> an exercise in pounding a square peg through a round hole. SR> Finckenstein recognized that these issues should not be decided in SR> the courts, because they are primarily not legal issues. They are SR> matters of social policy, which ultimately should be decided in SR> Parliament. By taking such a restrictive view of how current SR> copyright laws extend to electronic publication, Finckenstein was SR> challenging Parliament to throw out the current laws and rethink the SR> entire matter from scratch. In my view, this is a good approach. Traditionally IP decisions have often been a roll of the dice, so I don't know if that will work. It might just encourage Parliament to leave things alone, relying instead on courts' discretion (and thus making the roll of the dice even more random). -- Anthony