From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 17 17:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23941 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23818 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA02959; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:49:50 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980518094950.C427@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:49:50 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why pdp11 is cool. (WAS: SCO offers Ancient Unix...) References: <19980516110820.W1953@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jan B. Koum on Sun, May 17, 1998 at 12:32:58PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 17 May 1998 at 12:32:58 -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> If anybody's interested, snoop around a bit in pdp11.lemis.com. The >> user 'guest' has the password '2.11BSD', at least for a couple of >> days. > > This box is way cool. We should keep at around, that way when > people cry "FreeBSD doesn't see my ProTurboTechXYZ video/sound card" we > just point them to pdp11 "good old days" machine. Right, I intend to keep it around. > Check this out: > > $ /sbin/dmesg > phys mem = 2097152 > avail mem = 1648064 > user mem = 307200 > $ ls -l /unix > -rwxr--r-- 1 root 146289 Mar 6 20:19 /unix > $ > > This is compared to: > > shell6: {1001} dmesg > real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) > avail memory = 121163776 (118324K bytes) > shell6: {1003} ls -l /kernel > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8381723 Mar 27 23:26 /kernel > shell6: {1004} In fact, the memory size is a *big* restriction for 2.11BSD. Unlike the Seventh Edition, it contains complete networking code (obviously), and it only survives at all by having a relatively complex overlay system. Even so, a large number of utilities just won't fit. Forget just about anything GNU. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message