From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 16:38:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1945426; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (ultimatedns.net [209.180.214.225]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF984C47; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s31GfM9m000764; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id s31GfGVA000750; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from unavailable02.ultimatedns.net ([209.180.214.228]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <042a9d0660e68acaf4471a571383df8e.squirrel@mx.waitman.net> References: <042a9d0660e68acaf4471a571383df8e.squirrel@mx.waitman.net> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market From: "Chris H" To: uzimac@da3m0n8t3r.com User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Eitan Adler , hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:38:49 -0000 > > On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" >> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a >> worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. >> In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD >> can be coerced to do the right thing, it is rarely there by default and >> often doesn't work as well as we would expect. >> >> The following are issues I haven't brought up in the past: >> >> >> Battery life sucks: it�s almost as if powerd wasn't running. Windows >> can run for five hours on my laptop while FreeBSD can barely make it two >> hours. I wonder what the key differences are? Likely it�s that we >> focus so much on performance that no one considers power. ChromeOS can >> run for 12 hours on some hardware; why can't we make FreeBSD run for 16? >> >> Sound configuration lacks key documentation: how can I automatically >> change between headphones and external speakers? You can't even do that >> in middle of a song at all! Trust me that you never want to be staring at >> an HDA pin configuration. I'll bet you couldn't even get sound streaming >> to other machines working if you tried. >> >> FreeBSD lacks vendor credibility: CUDA is unsupported. Dropbox hasn't >> released a client for FreeBSD. Nvidia Optimus doesn't function on FreeBSD. >> Can you imagine telling someone to purchase a laptop with >> the caveat: "but you won't be able to use your graphics card"? >> >> In any case, half of our desktop support is emulation: flash and opera >> only works because of the linuxulator. There really isn't any reason for >> vendors to bother supporting FreeBSD if we are just going to ape Linux >> anyways. >> >> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the >> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux >> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for server >> or embedded use. >> >> Some of you may point to PCBSD and say that we have a chance, but I >> must ask you: how does one flavor stand up to the thousands in the Linux >> world? >> >> Eitan Adler >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi, > > I don't understand the gripe about sound. OSS works well. If you install > the verson in ports, audio/oss, you get a more elaborate set of tools. ---8<--- > > The thing about sound, the card is a digital-to-analog converter, and > vice-versa. It uses PCM data. (PCM was actually first 'invented' in the > 1800's - no fools joke). Digital audio/Sound has never really gotten > better, it has only gotten cheaper. WOW. That an interesting bit of historical information. Thanks for sharing it! --Chris > > > -- > Waitman Gobble > San Jose California USA > +1.510-830-7975 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >