From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 22:29:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9431072A7B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62607F9AB for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id j81-v6so3822641ite.0 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:29:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Qh0OLXbZ+Ov9GPkKAkXhRv8QX/SqTydWQzltzyCpf9E=; b=cc/oAlT33fyoQeXFEdfFwVa1h0xtndcERMaa6eFTZztq7Hqnxz+m3Osus1DnsKY1nr qG/lrUsForwfN3qMe/Lebm1gSCL4ErzH+xscHBcxGVv3RZp1aXnQHZ+Ed4/F2HawAVqx EOwjZAws/zx8lDh9DgSn+vvzlBGWb9dSzOrzm40qD/uv30bgrXYlxLosI8ZFVhA+6Pm8 XCpssgTW8iuM+cgsLWe8SgI5JRu4hCC5hkQAbS2Lb0Xa2PO0uhsVTgsGQ/aUnlfcJUud t4pjSmYuEZQDz3g/I/fetWMzFRrTa2E+R/EcjDp7HNhG6HZLX6+OD/4guDtrQlzg9i4r mc4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Qh0OLXbZ+Ov9GPkKAkXhRv8QX/SqTydWQzltzyCpf9E=; b=O2EzUAMFm+D64phULFpxKLY7nbUJSwwDZKH5hc0JrkoYD7Tvj918AlRn9HGCqsABrx q/wV1tIAHYg8b2XhRCDOK3OTbpLNbIpNvsMSPBpr0CPAUcQj/oFjyFrIfV+VamYazMSy H2FznELBIH1M77IW8+wbeHL8LnYB6m3Hxakw3CWYFbKP0eY9GBKbyrvjOdP9ixL8ZIPB PWvLKU2HYNeHJHFz/DoCoGy4zVhsj/rX70e6qDtGUwzlTHmku6aZUR0yE4Cdi+a/xN9u v9vhi193QZMNTJj46x7m74UKdlA+LtD/XJiOZBGsNwbUQgGETh9lf8pV2wuagW8hThMF qjNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFnjycKnF7M1vbirooSsjTBPYVurkDJYiVy0rqRHdrwC7Nz4981 RPKu0ev0BL9rvYyTIOSlN6dQy6EzEac/lB0oquKohw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPxBoiFLa6El4zweYr/SU1O+2uEKcitwLRJgF+fEUM8csjnAst3p+97KTSTL9lxzBl9VpioBXYWHX6zjITqoPuQ= X-Received: by 2002:a24:b211:: with SMTP id u17-v6mr19084958ite.1.1534372138701; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:28:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 2002:a4f:257:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [172.58.56.51] In-Reply-To: <201808152041.w7FKfbCU049764@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201808152041.w7FKfbCU049764@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:28:58 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Uv6KOLSjmDydFk9IdZStY7MSOqI Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r337826 - stable/11/bin/ls To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Ian Lepore , Kyle Evans , Adam Weinberger , svn-src-stable@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers , Ed Maste , svn-src-stable-11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:29:07 -0000 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2018-08-15 at 13:26 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Will backing out the MFC and leaving this a 12.0 feature end this? > > > > =( > > > > > > > > Sadly no, as the person responded with that reaction when > > > > they installed 12.0-ALPHA :-(. > > > > > > So one whiner can demand of the project that any new feature be removed > > > before a new release is made? > > > > > > > This is a good change. I don't see why people are so fussed about it... > For > > people fighting colored environments a simple unsetenv COLORTERM seems to > > solve this problem no only on FreeBSD but for any other system they have > > access to... > > This is exactly the dismissive attitude by FreeBSD developers that > I was speaking to in my reply to Ian. > I see how it disagrees with you, but it's not dismissive. It's just asking for better data to support your view given that in general when all systems do X when Y happens, except FreeBSD, we generally make FreeBSD do X when Y unless there's a compelling reason not to. I've not seen a compelling reason not to yet. Basically, why should this be different than our general pattern of being in line with industry standards? Warner