From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 20 14:41:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7775C16A4CE; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:41:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.qubesoft.com (gate.qubesoft.com [217.169.36.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3BB43D49; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:41:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from bluebottle.qubesoft.com (bluebottle.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.2]) by mail.qubesoft.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7KEfEGR005394; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:41:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from builder02.qubesoft.com (builder02.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.8]) i7KEfDJV027194; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:41:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) From: Doug Rabson To: Ruslan Ermilov In-Reply-To: <20040820135844.GA76070@ip.net.ua> References: <20040820101817.GE27931@ip.net.ua> <1092999187.9863.2.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> <20040820105915.GA29178@ip.net.ua> <1093000460.9863.4.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> <20040820120757.GC29568@ip.net.ua> <20040820135844.GA76070@ip.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1093012873.9863.11.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:41:13 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 'clamd / ClamAV version 0.65', clamav-milter version '0.60p' cc: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav cc: Doug Rabson cc: alpha@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Alpha is seriously broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:41:22 -0000 On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 14:58, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 03:24:52PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > Ruslan Ermilov writes: > > > I think there's no emergency plan other than to reinstall "base" > > > on these systems from some older snapshot? > > > > cross-compile on a different machine in the cluster, copy over the new > > make(1), then use it to installworld over NFS. > > > Only if this machine is also Alpha. To tell you the truth, some bits > produced by cross-compiles on different architectures are not ready > for use on a native architecture. This includes binary files such as > fortune(6) .dat files, NLS catalogs, etc. I haven't identified them > all yet. > > Once I get my "modern" Alpha box, I will start working on a project > that will eventually address this, so cross- builds and releases > will produce the same binary files as on native platforms. NetBSD > achieved a great success in this direction, so it shouldn't be too > hard to fix. It might be quicker to extract various critical static binaries (init, make, cc, ld etc.) from an unbroken bindist. Oh and hope that beast doesn't crash before you replace init :-)