From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Thu Mar 8 19:44:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB190F29FEB for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demian.fc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C8146D190 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demian.fc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id g21so952241ioj.5 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 11:44:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cZ2viCCPnIwU9pmWqrCgK/vgEVHExkPRitrtAxiCT+E=; b=GULsRIS9wKGXW8LFNKwJ5Bir97BQ2YoNjSSZV/YGZwGvspnuoA9ffzVArm4kCGoVo0 9A79WaCbNl3Yyav1UeSK7rdoK+4U7e6IvdL+2Dsxt3jkz4bkU1C64ceDHmlwhcAbmSwY AQqM4NEPn07XdnbOvNU9UYcCYAVXbGLlqnp4JV1ddx47Q9ScZGyk6VbB0rgGkgZLlSbV EDdlFs6rTqe5iKzQJnJiy9whksEvlsBBJPhwVgdl2ELS1JjCicdCmDg8v61r9bA3AGpa l9k7oHHJojJbtrEPXBXDY87B7MBmkY+684jdqk4Gz/njUMtDL/gSD70k1pjt5xfsTr3C zN5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cZ2viCCPnIwU9pmWqrCgK/vgEVHExkPRitrtAxiCT+E=; b=fazpyJnAcnhRtKHBFCPcXdtvz7yJ4Km4SmeGHTcv8rtjzCVHKzfMDEw+eYJ/OIXTNI xDsZT8ZqT2PGrVFmyrmZaHJo0APXdbse6jcGlmkOlyKGjJZoEv+R91ZBeeWU+pCILDZt QhNRfvY5brniY8fCXNEB4PR+2tZQ5eKCvUr8IMSZuHYF5XAf+VCLLoXlIha9xl12Lsfn YMAdM6VhwNXktKosNQoRYOqIdZo2zMOHzLKqtvFUo9dcSJZpDjeh/+baGGG7AeW86ydu 8chTyOtq1kEC4NkxxFj9W1gHFRwI9o8BmXalm0HtaDQQTQC/DKqU2N83kRWR6nNBl9Ng qoVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EFFmv/F1LCJ6ZziOtz/auLUHv9WP9KrIq/8zX5C3EAIdU/vFq0 ypso5fuilpiz/S/RsenYi/YT0dECYNzW94Sgztc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuKDWZnO3pmQOqcx1bVpauLTTVcvoRLw3WVrNWLag67CLNWy1pT6Ilxdq+mV+amQ0UscG3RIYPQ1qrDxtlQBiY= X-Received: by 10.107.25.77 with SMTP id 74mr4139308ioz.33.1520538264375; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.167.2 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:44:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180308170701.xsel5q3anidpymk6@fifo.io> References: <20180308153450.CE84CD5ABC@emkei.cz> <20180308170701.xsel5q3anidpymk6@fifo.io> From: Federico Caminiti Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 16:44:23 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 19:44:26 -0000 2018-03-08 14:07 GMT-03:00 Mike Oliver, KT2T : > > Surely, there is overlap among those who want to use FreeBSD and those > who are embarrassed for the project given how the CoC has been received, > and in that overlap group I can see how some would perceive the CoC as > unnecessary, unnecessarily specific, or insulting. > > I myself am also concerned about this. The initial intention to create a Code of Conduct was announced in the " freebsd-announce" mailing list (1) but no further discussion seems to have taken place anywhere. There is a "conduct" mailing list (2) which sound like it was created for a discussion of this sort, but as of today (08/03/2018) it seems to be empty. Like many, my main point of contention is that this was decided behind closed doors and there was no public discussion on the matter. What was the rationale for choosing Geek Feminism Wiki as guide on how to implement a code of conduct and not for example, the KDE Code of Conduct (3) or the Contributor Covenant (4) ?. The last one seems closer in spirit to what is trying to be achieved here, without inflamatory and/or politically charged language. Maybe there are non-arbitrary reasons behind the creation of this new CoC, but since it was discussed in private, we have no way to know. [1] - https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/ 2016-January/001691.html [2] - https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/conduct/ [3] - https://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ [4] - https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.html