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Date:      Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:49:44 +0100
From:      Terje Elde <terje@elde.net>
To:        heasley <heas@shrubbery.net>
Cc:        =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@des.no>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: fbsd11 & sshv1
Message-ID:  <320E35B3-7200-4804-928C-686657FCDFBE@elde.net>
In-Reply-To: <20170130195226.GD73060@shrubbery.net>
References:  <20170127173016.GF12175@shrubbery.net> <867f5c66yr.fsf@desk.des.no> <20170130195226.GD73060@shrubbery.net>

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> On 30 Jan 2017, at 20:52, heasley <heas@shrubbery.net> wrote:
>=20
> That is sad; I doubt that I am the only one who would need this - =
there
> are millions of Cisco, HP, and etc network devices that folks must =
continue
> to access but will never receive new firmware with sshv2.  It takes a =
long
> time for some equipment to transition to the recycle bin - even after
> vendor EOLs.


I get your point, but there are other ways to go about this.

The right way to go about it would IMHO be fairly simple:

If you have few boxes, bin them.  If they=E2=80=99re not getting =
firmware updates, ssh v1 isn=E2=80=99t your only problem.

If you have too many critical or expensive boxes to make that practical, =
you can probably afford a Soekris, Raspberry Pi or similar, that you can =
keep at FreeBSD 10, and use as a jump host.  Which you should probably =
have anyway, if your equipment is no longer getting updates.

Either way; problem solved, and relatively cleanly so.

=E2=80=9CWe have that crud over there, so we must keep this crud over =
here=E2=80=9D really isn=E2=80=99t the way to move security forward, =
especially not when better solutions are easily available.  SSH2 has =
been around for a decade now, it=E2=80=99s time to let go of SSH1, at =
least in primary systems.

Terje




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