From owner-freebsd-security Wed Feb 3 16:42:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00672 for freebsd-security-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00666 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:42:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garth@netapp.com) Received: (qmail 22253 invoked from network); 4 Feb 1999 01:15:40 -0000 Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184) by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 1999 01:15:40 -0000 Received: from gtk-lap (GTK-LAP.dialus.netapp.com [192.168.200.28] (may be forged)) by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id QAA18360; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:42:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Garth T Kidd" To: , "Peter Jeremy" Cc: , Subject: RE: tcpdump Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:17 +1100 Message-ID: <000501be4fd7$371c0a20$164b00ca@gtk-lap.netapp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990203085051.1688.qmail@suburbia.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Frankly I'm sick of seeing anal security idiots undermining useful > functionality. I don't see why we should let this useless, winging > segment of the network community, which spends all its time working > out new ways to prevent people doing anything, shove their uncreative > bankrupt, and wholly paranoid philosophy down everyone else's throats. That's productive commentary. Seems to me we can head all of this off pretty easily, guys. All it takes is an install option: Relative Paranoia Julian here can select "take away all the safeguards" mode. :) Personally, I'll probably select "as secure as is practical without seriously getting in my way". Those "Anal, useless, whining security idiots" out there can select "wholly paranoid" mode. Now, can we leave the ad hominem attacks out of this and get on with it? :) Regards, Garth. -- Garth T Kidd Network Appliance: Systems Engineer, Australia & NZ Fast. Simple. Reliable. Multiprotocol. Mobile: +61-414-300-213 http://www.netapp.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message